tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-58073303416109530122024-03-05T05:13:08.858-08:00As Kes Yak!Bastırılanın Geri Dönüşünü Örgütlemek NöbetiUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger119125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-22254489696474525372016-12-18T10:01:00.002-08:002017-02-13T22:44:11.222-08:00maymunlar cehennemi türküye<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">
Siz kim Talal Asad kim salaklar. Yıllarını Marksizme vermiş, Arap milliyetçilerinin ağzına ağzına vurmuş, İslam'la ve umumen dinle de her zaman dediği gibi bir 'din antropoloğu' olarak değil de modernitenin yapısökümü bağlamında iştigal etmiş birisine, Filistin davasının her adımında bulunmuş, zalim mazlum nedir bilen hocamı benim <i>fişteklemem</i> gerekmiyor kenef taşları. </div>
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-43137477188116378612016-12-18T09:56:00.004-08:002016-12-18T09:56:58.022-08:00Türkiye'nin Siyasal Paradigması: Ağabey (Big Brother) MantığıSüleyman Hayri Bolay bir fenomen, ilk kitabı İçki (1963) ise de asıl onu meşhur eden master tezi <i>Türkiye'de Ruhçu Ve Maddeci Görüşün Mücadelesi</i>'dir, 1967'de ilk defa basılıp sayısız edisyonu olmuştur. Bugün Çizgi yayınlarının ödüllü <i>Osmanlı Felsefe Çalışmaları </i>serisindeki kitaplar bu kitabın kaynakçasıdır. II. Meşrutiyet'in maddecilik tartışmasını akademik bir mesele haline getirerek 40'lardan itibaren Türkiye'de sağcı akademinin tartışageldiği madde-mana çarpışmalarına tarihsel bir derinlik kazandırmıştır. Bu kitabın Hilmi Ziya Ülken'ce yazılan takdimi de çok mühim, fay hatlarının haritası gibi.<br />
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Süleyman Hayri Bolay'ın <i>'Ağabey' Mantığı </i>yazısı 1978'de yayınlanır.<br />
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*Bolay'ın kitabını basan Yağmur Yayınları 1974'te Orwell'in <i>1984</i>'ünü yayınlamıştır.<br />
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<i>İş Mecmuası</i>'nın 82. sayısında yayınlanmış 1948'de (XIV/82, sf. 133-6), bense <i>Devlet Gazetesi</i>'nin (1976) 7. İslam Konferansı konferansı bağlamında yeniden basılmış oradan aldım.<br />
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Milliyet'in 70'lerde son derece aktif 2. sayfası ''Düşünenlerin Düşünceleri'' arada Forum da yapıyordu. Burada da 77 Ecevit hükümeti üzerine bir forum var. İnanılmaz olan toplamda 1,5 ful gazete sayfasına yayılan bu tartışmanın basılmış olması. Televizyon izlemeye çok alışık vücudumuz, tartışma programı seviyesizliğine belki de fazla alıştı, reflüsüne alışıp asidi bastırmak için daha da tüketiyoruz TV'nu ve gösteriyi. Buradaki tartışmanın temel farkı tam da yazılı olması, düşünülmüş tashih edilmiş bir muhavere halinde olması. <br />
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1977 Türk siyasal tarihinin en keskin yıllarından. Ecevit'in tek parti hükümeti kurup, istikrar ve huzur ortamını temin etmesi için yükselen bu koroyu paylaşmadan edemeyeceğim. Milliyet'in uzayında yüzde 80 Ecevit hükümetine taraf, tabi ki bu anket bittikten bir gün sonra reddedildi. Demirel bir MC hükümeti daha kurdu, sonrası olaylar.<br />
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Şunu soruyorum: bugün AKP'yi mümkün kılan ve istikrar etrafındaki en büyük argümanlardan biri tek parti hükümetinin icrai sürati ve netliği. 74-2002 aksı malumumuz TC'nin korkunç koalisyonlar çağı, ve bu arada Ecevit'in %41'le hükümet olma ihtimali üzerinden ciddi bir tartışma var, Ecevit'in hazırladığı program ayrıca emek verilmiş bir eser. Tabi ki sonrasında yalan oldu, ama bir fay hattı olarak 2002'de tüm bu koalisyon partilerinin toplu diskalifiyesinde bir ara durak olarak 77'yi düşünelim. Milliyet'in anketi temsili değil tabi, ama<br />
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Şerif Mardin bayaaa Ecevitçiymiş.<br />
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5. gün<br />
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Güvenoyu alamadı, sıra Demirel'e geçti veee<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-21088546771111876052016-02-21T21:00:00.001-08:002016-02-22T18:20:59.975-08:00Aşk-ı Sünni'den bir sayfa: Tahir BüyükkörükçüTürkiye'de siyaset ekseriyetle partiler, kitaplar, ideolojiler eşliğinde konuşuluyor, ama sesi, seslenmeyi ve hitabeti genelde ıskalıyor. Blumbenberg'in 'retoriğe dönüş'ü mühim, anlam dolaşımda açığa çıkan, daha doğrusu anlamlanan bir şey. Yaşar Tunagör, Tunahan... neden nasıl çalışılmıyor bilmiyorum.<br />
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Tahir Büyükkörükçü Türkiye'nin gelmiş geçmiş en büyük vaizlerinden, Erenköy Cemaati'ne mensub, Mahmud Sami Ramazanoğlu'nun emriyle de sonradan MSP'den meclise giriyor. Çalışılmamış çok çok önemli bir insan. Zerre siyasi empatim yok ama Türkiye'de İslamcılığa darbe vurup Ahmed Davudoğlu kafası şoven gelenekçiliğin, boşboğazlığın en büyük destekçilerindendi. Yukarıda alıntılanan sözün aslına bakayım dedim. 5 dk içerisinde bunun twitter'dan çıktığını buldum, Wikipedia'da daha makul bir alıntı vardı:<br />
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"hükümeti destekleyen üç saç ayak var. Birisi Said-i Nursi, birisi Konya Müftüsü, birisi de Gazâlî"</blockquote>
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(edit 2 gün sonra) ŞİMDİ gelelim ifadenin aslına:<br />
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"Demirel düzeni.. iki ayağa istinadediyor; Demirel düzeninin iki ayağı vardır: Biri Konyalıdır, Konyalı Müftü, ikincisi bu Seçim Kanunudur." (TBMM, B 56, O 2, 1-3-1968)<br />
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Konya müftüsünü memleketteki gerici zihniyetin tecessümü olarak kurguluyor, bunu 2 sayfa anlatıyor önden: sol partilere kafir diyen, laikliği benimseyememiş grupları tavsif için kullanıyor. Seçim kanunu ise bugünde kullandığımız d'Hondt tarzına geçiş. ÖZETLE ortada ne gazali var ne said-i nursi var, konya müftüsü dahi bir emsal olarak var.<br />
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AMA asıl büyü bence burada HÜKÜMETin yerine TÜRKİYEyi koyan çomarlık. Buradaki hükümet Adalet Partisi, Demirel. İsmail Kara'nın el-Cezire'deki <a href="http://www.aljazeera.com.tr/al-jazeera-ozel/solcular-reklam-yazari-mucahitler-muteahhit-oldu">12-1-16 tarihli mülakatında</a> islamcılık'ın Milli Görüşçe gasp edilişine itiraz ederken Demirel'in ilk <i>takunyalı</i> olduğunu hatırlatıyor. Kırat'tan önce partinini sembolünü hatırlamakta fayda var.<br />
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Demirel Türkiye midir? İslamın izzeti Demirel midir? Hangi cehalet İnönü'ye 'Türkiye' dedirtir acep. Nasıl bunun fantazisini kurar? Ben söyleyeyim Abdülhamit'e sahte hatırat yazan kafalar. Ayrıca İnönü'nün Gazali'yi bilmeyecek kadar cahil olduğunu iddia etmek baya fantastik, eşi baya sıkı dindar bir Osmanlı zabiti sonuçta. Her neyse.<br />
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Meclis kayıtlarında Selahattin Hakki Esatoğlu'nun 4-3-1968 konuşması var, Tahir Büyükkörükçü'nün Konya'daki vaazlarında nasıl sola çaktığını, solun İslam'la örtüşmediğine dair beyanatlarını aktarıyor. <span style="font-size: xx-small;">(trafik kazasında vefat eden Esatoğlu üzerine de bir makale yazmak istiyorum bir ara)</span><br />
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''memleketimizin şurasında burasında bâzı din görevlileri, özellikle bâzı müftü ve hocalar, Başbakandan aldıkları cesaret ve gördükleri himayeden yararlanarak açıktan açığa devrimlere, lâikliğe aykırı bir davranışın içine girmişler, vaızlarında siyaset yapmaya başlamışlar, iktidar partisi dışında kalan diğer bâzı devrimci partileri «kâfir» likle suçlıyacak kadar ileri gitmişlerdir.... Hilâl Dergisinin son
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Çok normal açıkçası, Büyük Doğu'yu açıp okumuş bir kimse varsa misal orada 'Müslüman / Kafir' köşesi vardır, kafir dendi mi de referans: köy enstitüleri, laikler, 'CHP zihniyeti' (ifadenin menbaı), solcular, moskof ajanları, farmasonlar, yahudiler... Ülkücü dergilerde dahi protesto edilir bu tavır, hani hepimiz müslümandık, ayıp.<br />
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Özellikle MSP'yle artık dümdüz tekfir hadiseleri çıkar, meydanlarda bugünde çok duyduğumuz bu seçim bir parti seçimi değil hakla batıl arasında bir seçim diye çığırır birileri. NFK demişken kendisi de bir Tahir Hoca hayranı<br />
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Tahir Büyükkörükçü'nün hitabeti herkesi büyüler, kasetleri dolaşır her yerde, yukarıdaki sözü de İnönü'nün 68'de söylediği belirtiliyor. Biraz daha bakacağım. Ama asıl paylaşmak istediğim, aşk-ı sünni nişanesi aşağıda<br />
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<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>AKP'nin çakma darbeleri araştırma komisyonundan</i></span></div>
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Sene 78. Öncelikle şiilerin mühür kullandığını bilmeyen bir cahil, ama herşeyden önce burada fışkıran sünnicilikten başım ağrıyor. Tabi ki memleketin sağcısına hava hoş. Büyükkörükçü'nün çevresine dair temiz bir fotoğraf.<br />
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buradaki apaolojetik tavırsa ayrı iğrenç, bilmiyorduk ondan heyecanlandık İran Devrimi'ne.<br />
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Siz zaten ne o devrimi, ne muktesebatını kavrayabilecek kabiliyettesiniz. Atatürk'ü sevmiyorum Humeyni'yi seviyorum diyen kardeşlerimizin yanında da duramadınız ama gittiniz o devlete tabiyetinizi imanınızın önüne koydunuz, o devlet sizi benimsedi, baştacı etti, tebrikler. Şimdi manşet manşet İran'a nefret kusun, düşmanlaştırın. Asrın fitnesi olmuşsunuz haberiniz yok.<br />
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Yazının bir eksiği hocanın vaazlarından alıntı olmaması. bir kuple:<br />
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Konya Müftüsü basın, TRT ve mini etekli kadınlara çattı (<i>Milliyet</i> 14-10-1968)<br />
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(KONYA) Ünlü Konya Müftüsü Tahir Büyükkörükçü, dun. Karapınarda yaptığı bir konuşmada, basın, TRT ve mini etekli kadınlara çatmıştır. Hacı Tahır Büyükkörükçü, Din Gorevlileri Cemiyeti Karapınar Şubesinin çağrısına uyarak, dün Karapınar'da Belediye Sosyal Faaliyetler Salonunda, «Osmanlı Padişahları zamanında îslâmiyet» konulu iki bin kişinin izlediği bir konferans vermiştir. Tahir Hoca iki buçuk saat süren konferansında, özellikle TRT, basın ve mini eteklilere çatarak, «Bugünkü basın ve TRT, dinî konulardan uzaktır. İçleri komünist, marksist, Lenininst ve masonlarla doludur. İçlerinde böylelerinin bulunduğu kuruluşlar, elbette halka ters telkinler yapacaklardır. Biz müslümanlar bunlara karşı çıkıyoruz» demiştir. Mini eteklilere de çatan Tahir Hoca, «Mini etekli kadınlar sosyeteye özenmekle bugün ne bir Yavuz, ne bir Fatih, ne de bir Kanunî doğurabiliyorlar. Bu kadınların islâmiyete uygun bir şekilde yetiştirilebilmeleri için ' Kadınlar Akşam İmam Hatip Okulları açılmalıdır» demiştir.<br />
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büyükkörükçü 78'de meclise girer, mecliste toplam 3 konuşması var, hepsi de diyanet bütçesi bağlamında, hepsi de vaaz, hepsi de bayaaaa ipe sapa gelmez <a href="https://www.tbmm.gov.tr/develop/owa/td_v2_istatistik.tutanak_hazirla?v_meclis=&v_donem=&v_yasama_yili=&v_cilt=&v_birlesim=&v_sayfa=&v_anabaslik=&v_altbaslik=&v_mv=TAH%DDR%20B%DCY%DCKK%D6R%DCK%C7%DC&v_sb=KONYA&v_ozet=&v_kelime=&v_bastarih=&v_bittarih=">BKZ</a><br />
<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-16159774319632349722016-02-18T17:17:00.002-08:002016-02-18T17:17:59.847-08:00ODTÜ Nefreti Tarihinden: 'İhanetin İleri Karakolu ve İktidar' (1970)<i>Çin Modeli Türkiye </i>yaratma arzusundaki paralel yapı<br />
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'O küçük azınlık' komünist olmuş, kürtçü olmuş, İslamcı olmuş ama bu devlet için hep olmuştur. Foucault'nun 'ırk savaşı'na izini sürdüğü ideolojik savaşın biyosiyasetidir. RTE'nin Sultanahmet'te bomba patladıktan sonra hiçbir şey olmamış gibi bildiricilere, bu ülkenin karanlık azınlığına giydirmesi bu minvaldedir.<br />
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ileride Sabahattin Zaim, Nevzat Yalçıntaş'ın ve birinin daha Özal tarafından ODTÜ mütevellisine getirilmesi ve çıkan olayları notlayayım. Adını unuttuğum kişinin gözdağı olsun diye arabasını havaya uçuruyorlardı.<br />
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* sınav sorularını çalıp satıyorlara çok güldüm.<br />
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Peyami Safa'nın katkısıyla başlayalım: Habis Ruh<br />
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Suç Komünistlerinmiş efendim kutsalı yok, dış mihrak, sadece yıkım, ülkede habis bir hava yaratılmış. Dönemin diğer dergilerine bakarsanız Maarif Vekaleti ve TRT'yi ele geçirmiş Moskof ajanları haberleri var, buradaki 'hava' öyle de somut referansları olan bir hava olayı. Peki bu yazının hemen altında bir şiir var, bir de ona bakalım. Şair Abdürrahim Karakoç, kendisini duymadıysanız bugüne dek şanslısınız, 60-70'ler boyunca her milliyetçi yayında şiirleri var. Şiirimize gelelim<br />
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OHA, Pes ve çüş. Şimdi kim bu havanın mümessili? Çomar olmamak tahrik sebebi midir sağcılar tarafından tahkir ve tezyife uğramak için? Karakoç yalnız değil, bu ve benzeri dergilerin (Sebilürreşad'dan Bozkurt'a ve Bayrak'a ve Birliğe Çağrı'ya) hepsinde aralıksız düşmanlaştırma, hakaret, komplo teorisi var. Nasıl bugün devlete muhalefet islam karşıtlığı, vatan hainliği, vb kategorilerde değerlendiriliyorsa o günde devletin, kolluk kuvvetlerinin gücünü çağıran sağcılardı. Bu manyaklığı nasıl okumalı?<br />
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Arendt Eichmann kitabından yıllar sonra şöyle diyor: O zaman hala naiftim, Sokrates'in 'yanlış olanı yapmaktansa acı çekmek yeğdir' ilkesi fehvasının sarsılmazlığını varsayıyordum, ama tam da tersi söz konusu: yanlış olanı yapmak yeğdir, asıl yanlış acıyı seçmektir oldu. (<i>fi qal ev qema qal</i>)<br />
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Aynı sayıdan Necip Fazıl'ın Büyük Doğu'nun tetikçiliğinden uzak, eski günlerinden kalma bir üsluba selam eden bir yazısı var: Bu Şehir<br />
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Hala şehirlerimiz buradaki şehir.<br />
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1949'dan 'Muhtar olmıyan üniversite!' yazısı, Şemsettin Günaltay'ın ''İlim ve Tecrübe'' hükümetini ele alırken harika bir karşılaştırma sorusu soruyor: siyaset kendini nasıl söylüyor? bir devrin siyasalının öz-deyişi nedir?</div>
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Refik Saydam: Her şey bozuk</div>
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Saracoğlu: 21 Temmuz</div>
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5 ocak 1978'de hukumet listesini cumhurbaskani fahri koruturk'e sunan ecevit, 10 ocak'ta partisinin ortak gurubunda yaptigi konusmada, "ekonomide ve devlet yapisinda bir enkaz devraldik, çetin bir dönem geçirecegiz, barisi getirmeye kararliyiz" dedi ve enkaz edebiyatini baslatmis oldu. (<a href="https://eksisozluk.com/enkaz-devraldik--93560?p=1">kaynak</a>)</blockquote>
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Ecevit eğer 78'den uçan anayasa kitapçığına bu enkazı taşıdıysa AKP enkazı kaldırmak yerine üstüne kendilerinin verdiği restorasyon ihalelerinde olduğu üzere bir camekan geçirip, tepesine de bir AVM dikti. Enkazdan çıkıp vitrinlerde yaşayanların gözlerinde güneş girmeyen kubbelerin suni ışığı var.</div>
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Türkiye kendisini vareden zulmeti yaymakla gürleştirmekle meşgul, tekrar. Her nesilde tekrar ve tekrar 'toplum'u halklardan ve milletten bağımsız konuşamayalım, yargı melekesinden bağımsız kendimizi ve dünyamızı müşahede edemeyelim diye, eleştirinin ve fikrin imkanını veren mesafe açılmasın diye namütenahi bir aciliyet ve olağanüstü halde asılı bırakılıyoruz. İktidar kendisini ve kadrolarını yaratan 70'lerin kodlarına kavramlarına rücu etti. </div>
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Büyük Doğu - Sebilürreşad - Türk Düşüncesi ekseninden doğan Milliyetçi-Mukaddesatçı paradoks 70'lerde birçok sentezi getirdi. </div>
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'Kültür Emperyalizmi' sağcı literatüre Serdengeçti'yle girer, bu yazıda Somuncuoğlu 'müstemleke zihniyeti' de denilen fenomeni, dönemin mühim 'aydın meselesi' içinden okuyor. Ve Darwinist siyaset sahneye çıkıyor hemen: mesele kuvvet meselesi. Görev müstakbel bir 'kadro'ya veriliyor, kadrolaşırken kuvveti cem edecek ve emperyalizmi paylayacak.</div>
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-27168215860368486462015-10-14T08:29:00.002-07:002015-10-14T08:29:38.048-07:00Lars von Trier: First TV Interview since the Cannes Press Conference<br />
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An Invitation from Lars von Trier:<div id="subtitle" style="font-size: 20px; margin: 5px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px 0px 0.5em;">
First TV Interview since the Cannes Press Conference; with Martin Krasnik, Danish journalist</div>
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<a href="https://muse-jhu-edu.ezproxy.cul.columbia.edu/results?section1=author&search1=Troels%20Skadhauge" style="color: #004a75; text-decoration: none;">Troels Skadhauge</a> <a href="https://muse-jhu-edu.ezproxy.cul.columbia.edu/journals/theory_and_event/v018/18.2.skadhauge.html#back" style="color: #004a75; text-decoration: none;">(bio)</a> and <a href="https://muse-jhu-edu.ezproxy.cul.columbia.edu/results?section1=author&search1=Lars%20T%C3%B8nder" style="color: #004a75; text-decoration: none;">Lars Tønder</a> <a href="https://muse-jhu-edu.ezproxy.cul.columbia.edu/journals/theory_and_event/v018/18.2.skadhauge.html#back" style="color: #004a75; text-decoration: none;">(bio)</a></div>
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Translators note: The following is an interview of Lars von Trier (LvT) by the Danish journalist Martin Krasnik (MK). The interview took place in Lars von Trier’s home in Brede, a small town just outside Copenhagen. The interview was broadcast on the Danish public television station DR2 in its entirety on January 12, 2015. An excerpt including the Hanukkah prayer was aired on December 23, 2014. The translation is based on a transcript drawn from an online version of the televised interview that was made temporarily available for the public by DR News Danish Broadcasting Corp (<a href="http://www.dr.dk/tv/se/krasnik-taler-med-lars-von-trier/krasnik-taler-med-lars-von-trier" style="color: #004a75; text-decoration: none;" target="_blank">http://www.dr.dk/tv/se/krasnik-taler-med-lars-von-trier/krasnik-taler-med-lars-von-trier</a>; last accessed on January 27, 2015).</div>
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(Voiceover) A few weeks ago I received a text message from Lars von Trier. We have been in touch over the years, typically after I had done something on Israel or Judaism. “How about a little talk on DR2 soon?” he wrote me. Von Trier explained that he was in the middle of a great upheaval in his life. He is trying to quit drinking and has started going to meetings in AA: Alcoholics Anonymous. I also want to talk to him about why he is so interested in everything Jewish and how it is tied to the story of his father who turned out to be a completely different person than he thought. And what about his childhood? Why did he call himself Lars “Lost Property”? The last time von Trier spoke publicly in front of a camera was at the infamous press briefing at Cannes where he said that he was a Nazi who understood Hitler. That gave him a lot of trouble. Now I have gone to visit Lars von Trier to talk with him about alcoholism, about his father, about rituals and religion, and about the feeling of not belonging.</div>
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Here he comes. I fear that.</div>
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Hello.</div>
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Hey, hey.</div>
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Good day.</div>
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I feel like Bamse and Kylling [two fictional characters from a popular Danish children’s TV show] in the same person.</div>
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That’s really schizophrenic.</div>
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It is one of those scenes that I hate.</div>
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I brought a little something that you are not allowed to see.</div>
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Is it going to be like that?</div>
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Yes. It will simply be one gimmick after another.</div>
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I hope it’s not some kind of Jewry.</div>
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It is nothing but Jewry. You are up and awake?</div>
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I just woke up.</div>
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You just woke up, but are you awake?</div>
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Should we have a little hug? We won’t have one at the end, will we?</div>
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No. No one wants to hug me after an interview.</div>
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It has never happened. It would be a grave defeat if someone hugged you after an interview.</div>
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MK:</div>
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It depends on what kind of hug, right?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. In anger.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Shall we sit? You don’t have a cup of coffee or something?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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You bet I do.</div>
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MK:</div>
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(Looking out of the window) Good God, it is lovely here.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I have played in those reeds over there, and we made maps for how to get around.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Right over there?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What is it like to live so close to your childhood home?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I feel very secure.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Were you outside a lot as a child?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. I played on the stream, on the small paths, and up in the trees. I was insanely brave.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You climbed higher than all the others?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I did.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I am speechless.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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My parents didn’t say anything. I could come home at any time. They wouldn’t even notice if I were home or not.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Really?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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And that is how it was?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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And what did it mean: that you just came and went like you wanted?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Not really, because I think you make your own rules. If you do not have a set of rules—you know that with religion and everything—if you don’t have a set of rules, you have to make one yourself. Otherwise everything slides.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Did you make one, then?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, I did… Yes, bloody hell.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What kind of rules for example?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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For when I came home, and for when my homework had to be finished—all the rules that normal parents would…</div>
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MK:</div>
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And you made all of those for yourself?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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That’s interesting? And then you broke them once in a while? Were you very disciplined?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I was very disciplined. I did my homework on my way home on the bench at the bus stop. Oh yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Why is that?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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You are good with those questions, right?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes…I am usually told that I don’t ask enough “why” and “how” questions. So I am very proud that you say that.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I wait in fear for what will come, because like… it is like watching the wolf smile.</div>
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MK:</div>
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How are you feeling on a morning like this one?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I feel good. I just got out of bed. My morning rituals, they are not really… they have been shattered a bit, because I slept too long. But other than that I am feeling very good. Now I am good. It is good that you have come.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Does it have a soothing effect? I have been looking very much forward to this. I also thought a little about where we should start. But then I thought: I am genuinely curious about what you are thinking at the moment, because you said in the newspaper the other day that you are at a new place in your life, and that you are trying to quit drinking. And that thing about drinking and any kind of abuse is simply so alien to me. I am such a control-freak. I have a superego the size of a nuclear mushroom cloud. So I would like to know a little more about it. Would you like to?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I would be happy to.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What has happened lately?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Bloody hell. There are different ways of looking at it. But as I see it, my wife thought that it was enough with the fiercely intense drinking. And that is absolutely right; it was. My reaction was of course to go to the most ultimate treatment facility… And now I have come, now I have a terrible urge to drink. So nothing is easy.</div>
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MK:</div>
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An urge to drink, how does that feel?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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An urge to drink? It feels like when you are thirsty for water. In principle, it is the same.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Try to say more. How was it? You decide to quit when your wife tells you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Well, that is the thing. People will question that decision.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Why?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Because it is a very essential part of the 12 step work. To accept that you are an alcoholic and that you cannot deal with your own life. And in some weird way I would still say, yes I can deal with my own life. But maybe my family cannot deal with my life.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Can I hear more about those meetings?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I am not allowed to talk about the meetings. I have to respect the group so much that I don’t violate their opinions all the time, because then I will just once again be a man in a community that does not want him… It is a little like Judaism, right? Like when you do not really belong or do not belong at all.</div>
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MK:</div>
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We do not have to talk about what happens, but one of the striking things is that it is every day.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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So you have been there every day?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. That is standard; ninety meetings in ninety days. I hit the bottom when I was in Norway to fish in a salmon river that I had dreamt about my whole life. I have difficulties transporting myself because I don’t fly, and then we went there, and I was just in bed and drank vodka and cried for a week. I never made it out to that damn river.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Why did you do that?</div>
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It was a depressive anxiety thing. Most alcoholics drink in response to anxiety. As self-medication—it is the most common thing.</div>
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So you are sitting up there by a river in Norway?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, but I am lying in …</div>
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(interrupts) a tent?</div>
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…the house we rented. A tent would have been even more humiliating.</div>
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And then what—in the morning one gets up early to go out fishing? Then the others take off?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Then the others take off, and I sleep even deeper.</div>
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You brought the vodka with you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. And some was bought and so on. I mean bloody hell.</div>
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MK:</div>
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It is expensive to buy vodka in Norway.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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(Laughing). Yes, but when you are standing there knocking on St. Peter’s door, then…</div>
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But what happens during such a week? Try to explain. Try to explain to someone who has only tried a “business class” depression—what it is that happens during such a week. You wake up and what kind of feeling do you have?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Then I have an anxiety, right?</div>
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What does that mean?</div>
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I always have an illness anxiety. I am sure that I will die before…</div>
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Do you remember when it was? How did it exactly express itself during those days?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Listen, I would very much like to tell you about all the details. I also think they are relevant. But I do not really want to because it is just all that OCD stuff—there is no one who wants to … yes, there are probably many who want to hear about it. But it is just unpleasant. The thing that can be said about alcohol is that if there is something that can postpone an anxiety, it’s alcohol. But of course the anxiety is only postponed. At some point you have to reduce your alcohol intake. You cannot drink steadily, so that you are pissed all the time—well you can, but then it is difficult to live with someone.</div>
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But when you are sitting up there and you have gone up there to have fun and to fish. You love to fish, right?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I love to fish.</div>
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And salmon in Norway, that’s up among the three big …</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Fantastic. They caught big salmon up there.</div>
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MK:</div>
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The others in your party, they caught big salmon?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. It is so stupid. But what it suggests is that there is a large degree of self-hatred in the whole issue.</div>
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Self-hatred, how?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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My anxieties…they are made to be self-destructive, right? And it is really every time I have found some kind of niche, that I think: here I can relax, here I feel good. And then a new anxiety emerges in relation to that niche.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What kind of niche for example?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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It can just be a different place on the body.</div>
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MK:</div>
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The illness anxiety? How far back does it go? Do you remember when it started?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I clearly remember that I was watching television. I must have been 5 years or so. I was watching television, and then I saw this program about a hospital. And my anxiety is really more about the treatment system than about the disease itself. Death and so on. It is so destructive, so destructive to life.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What did you do about it as a child? Do you remember?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I started taking a lot of valium.</div>
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MK:</div>
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How old were you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I don’t know, 12 years or so. I completely panicked. Completely. It was not fun. I also had some migraines once in a while. So every other day I had anxiety, and every other day I had… And then, according to my treatment facility, you still have to get down on your knees and be grateful for your life, right?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes. This means that you have had it for as long as you can remember?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, and that is why it is so difficult to do something about it. I have tried all kinds of therapy.</div>
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MK:</div>
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There have been different kinds of psychiatric treatment?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. But it is funny because, I was sitting at … I was at Nordvang [a psychiatric hospital close to Copenhagen] when I was a kid, and there I only wanted to be addressed as Lars “Lost Property” by the way. But there I sat with some people who were severely mentally handicapped.</div>
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MK:</div>
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How old were you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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At that time I was about 13.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Not hospitalized?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No, I was a day patient. My mother knew the chief physician.</div>
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MK:</div>
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How did your parents react to your symptoms?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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It was extremely difficult for them.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What does that mean?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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What should they do? My mother put great faith in institutions. That’s why she brought me to this physician that she knew. I don’t know what the right thing would have been, but that was definitely wrong. I was completely… really badly placed. Because you need to know that mental illnesses are more contagious than physical ones. They are terribly contagious. An anxiety can spread within an assembly of people at the speed of lightning.</div>
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(laughing). Yes.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Why are you laughing?</div>
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MK:</div>
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It is airborne.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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It definitely is. It is like Ebola.</div>
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MK:</div>
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But it was fairly good that she, your mother—and perhaps your father—acted on it, that they recognized it, that they knew something was wrong, and that you needed treatment.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Correct. But the way it was treated was completely stupid.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What should they have done?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I should have just received treatment that … the problem was that I didn’t want to go to school, and out there was a school that you could go to. So they solved that problem, right? Damn, I don’t know. Or else they should have come through and said that I wouldn’t die at night. You know the thing is, when I asked my mom: “Am I going to die tonight?” and she says: “The chance is very small, but it exists.” Which is probably totally correct. But at that point I would have liked to… and that is what I have done differently. I have said it a thousand times, but I have told my children: “No, you will live and wake up tomorrow.” Because what is the risk for me in doing that?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Nothing.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No. And I think that’s very important. You would have liked to know that as a child, right? Otherwise it ends up eating you.</div>
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[…]</div>
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MK:</div>
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Why do you talk so often about rejection? About being afraid of being rejected?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I don’t know. I can’t answer that.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Are you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Afraid of rejection? Yes, but not so much anymore.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Have you been drinking during all your movies? I mean the last many movies? On the set?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No. It has typically been during the writing period where I have been drinking and taken other narcotics.</div>
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MK:</div>
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That is also what you said the other day in an interview with <span style="font-style: italic;">Politiken</span> [a Danish newspaper].</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I already said it in <span style="font-style: italic;">Politiken</span>. But that is probably because it is true.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Is the kind of drugs you used a secret?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Ohh, yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Is it because you don’t want to encourage people to do the same?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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As I said in the newspaper, I would not recommend it to anyone. But I have benefitted enormously from it.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You can <span style="font-style: italic;">say</span> that.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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But I am also saying that.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I understand why you are split about it. On the one hand, you are saying that you are at a point where you simply have to stop drinking and doing drugs. On the other hand, you have gained so much from it.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, I think so.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You haven’t been close to dying like some of the others in AA.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You haven’t lost your closest friends or family members due to booze.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No, because what I also …</div>
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MK:</div>
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(Interrupts) It sounds like a reluctant farewell to the booze?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Definitely. If I haven’t done enough drugs or had enough alcohol to do my very best, then I am sorry. That’s how it is.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Why do you say that? What do you mean?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I mean that if I haven’t gone far enough with regards to the things that I… to the quality… to fulfilling my goals. If I haven’t gone far enough, I blame myself.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You are saying that if you didn’t have enough alcohol and snorted enough to produce something that was great and good enough?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. That is what I think. And that is why I don’t talk about an “abuse” but about a “use.” Abuse is a more legal, or what do you call it, a “legal term.”</div>
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MK:</div>
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You simply talk about it as medication?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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A working tool.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You started taking valium when you were 13 years old. At that time it wasn’t a working tool?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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That is true. But what do you want to say with that?</div>
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MK:</div>
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You make it sound like it was something you chose and something that, because you wanted to make films and for them to be as good as possible, that it was necessary to empty a bottle of vodka every day.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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(Laughing). Do you feel unpleasant when you become moral all of the sudden?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Not at all. I am just thinking … it becomes fairy-tale like when you talk about it as a working tool.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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That is correct. That is how I feel. Therefore I wouldn’t recommend anyone, least of all my children, to do something similar. That would never occur to me, because it can also be a very dangerous thing. Right?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I just think that the thing that I maybe have done more than other directors is that I have jumped into… I have sought farther out to the edge of the branch.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You say that you are afraid of making movies now?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. That is probably just an excuse to start drinking.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Come on for Christ’s sake, you don’t really believe in that—that you can’t still make good movies?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Well, listen. It is a question about—I didn’t think Bowie [David Bowie] was good after. I didn’t think it was good. “Let’s Dance” is shit.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I love “Let’s Dance.”</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, but it is not like my romantic idol would…</div>
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MK:</div>
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Then you can make different movies?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, I thought about it.</div>
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MK:</div>
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They don’t have to be bad. Maybe they can be different movies—where people don’t necessarily get their genitals cut off. I mean, it is not absolutely necessary in order to make a good movie that someone gets the clit cut off.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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But it is a start.</div>
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MK:</div>
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A good start.</div>
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[…]</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Now we have to talk about the Jewry.</div>
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MK:</div>
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We have to talk about the Jewry.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Little Martin, there is something we need to know.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I tried to look it up. We have this family tree at home that is several meters long. All Jewish families in Denmark are married into each other. But as far as I can see we are only related to each other very, very, very far out.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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That’s a relief, I would say.</div>
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MK:</div>
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If Trier had been your real father, then you would either have been my grand-grand-grand-grand-grand uncle or grand cousin.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I feel that very much.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You feel a kind of kinship?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What kind? You don’t have a picture on the wall of your father, Trier? Where is he? Is he not hanging somewhere in the house?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Christ, that is totally … no he does not … You are absolutely right; he is not hanging anywhere.</div>
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Why not?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Well, my mother is also not hanging anywhere. I am sort of completely liberated. But yes, it is strange.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What kind of Jewish family was it, the Trier family? Try to describe it.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I just remember an extreme degree of cosiness and Jew jokes and cheerfulness and so on, which for me stood very clearly as a Danish Jew which … of course, he is only half Jewish, but the whole family … the traditions and the way to talk and all that was very significantly different from other parts of my family.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Was it your father’s siblings or cousins or?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. There was just this atmosphere around it, which I was really fond of as a child.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What kind of atmosphere?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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It is really difficult to describe. In the same way as, when you are in your group during treatment, then you have this group feeling. At that time, I had a group feeling, and that is why it was so tough when I found out that my father was not my father because then I had to say goodbye. Then I was precisely Lars “Lost Property,” right? I didn’t belong anywhere in a group.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I think you have to explain what happened.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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My mother had the idea to tell me on her deathbed that my father wasn’t my father. I told her that if it was a line from<span style="font-style: italic;">Dallas</span>, or what the hell those series are called, then it was a really bad one. Because she was lying there with all those tubes…</div>
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MK:</div>
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She was about to die?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. And then she says: “You should know…” then she mumbles a bit, but: “You should know that Ulf is not your father. It is another man with whom I am sure you will have a really good relationship.” And of course I didn’t, and it all went terrible.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Let us go back to the scene: It takes 2 seconds to say, what do you then do? Do you remember?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I think I said “Wow!” You know it is like a…</div>
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MK:</div>
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You actually said that, you said it like in <span style="font-style: italic;">Dallas</span>?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. It was totally unexpected. The people I know—they worried they might have been adopted, right? I never did that. I felt completely secure and especially also in that Jewish part of the family. Completely safe. My mother encouraged me repeatedly to go through the family tree and to visit Jewish cemeteries where I would put little rocks on the gravestones. I wonder whether she thought about my father when she asked me to that. Because it was completely stupid, especially when Ulf is not my biological father. What the hell—why was I then supposed to go through the family tree?</div>
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MK:</div>
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She could have been determined that Ulf should be your father. And then that was the story that had to be told.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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But it was against her will that she told the story. It was just as much about covering up my biological father.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Because the truth wasn’t supposed to be told?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Exactly. They worked together, in the same part of the government. And even more cliché, my biological father was the boss for my mother <span style="font-style: italic;">and</span> my non-biological father.</div>
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MK:</div>
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That’s quite a drama. So she had an affair with her boss?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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She screwed around, yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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She screwed with her boss?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. It is so stupid.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Did your father believe you were …?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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That’s what I never have been told. He died when I was 18. So there is a lot… that is really a conversation I would have liked to have with him, right? About how and why. It would be fun if there is such a thing as a paradise and I could get access.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What would that conversation be like?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I would just tell him that I miss him terribly. I do. And I miss the part, which I don’t have anything to with after all. The Jewish part, I miss it like nothing else. It was very identity-creating for me back then. But listen here, this stuff about Jewry, it is not the media-Jewishness …</div>
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MK:</div>
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Can I, Lars? I know you have said all this before. (Holds LvT’s hand.) You know in the Middle East you touch each other a lot. It creates attention. You just put a little finger on the other person’s hand. Like: “Shut up, I am talking.” It is a bit transgressive when you do it with members of the government. I don’t think Magrethe Vestager [former member of the Danish government, now Commissioner in the European Union] would have liked it. But it is very effective because people start listening.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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A small trick.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes, but it is a good trick. So you say “wow, that fucking <span style="font-style: italic;">Dallas</span> thing” …</div>
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LvT:</div>
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It was very clear that she just had to say it. Afterwards I remember my aunt asked, “did she say it?”</div>
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MK:</div>
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So your aunt knew it?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Everyone knew about it.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Everyone?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Probably with the exception of my father.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What do you mean by all of them?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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The whole family.</div>
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MK:</div>
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She told them?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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And the only one missing was you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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How long did the scene take?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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10 minutes, and then I went out to tell it to my brother, who in the meantime had become a half-brother. He took it pretty easy.</div>
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MK:</div>
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He did?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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But he knew?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No.</div>
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MK:</div>
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But he thought, “That doesn’t matter”?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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He was right.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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He was. And I would say that my first reaction was, “Yes, that doesn’t matter.” But my second reaction was a deep sorrow, not because she died, but because of that little fact. It was completely grotesque. Since then I entered into in a phase where I tried to approach my biological father’s family. But now I am in another phase where I think that the father with whom you have been also is the one who means the most.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes, one must say so. Why do you think she told you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I don’t know what it’s like to die. But I can only say that I am happy she told me. It is painful in some ways, but I am happy to know it. Of course.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Why?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Well, if we need to know about our past, it has to be correct. Anything else would be stupid. And it probably affected the things I have done, right?</div>
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[…]</div>
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LvT:</div>
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But now we need to hear about your Judaism. Frankly. I thought your Judaism was limited. But it is not, because you are a real Jew, 100%. Your mother is a true Jew all the way down, and the same with your father. What disappoints me a bit about this is that it means you are just a follower. I could accept that, but I thought you were a bit on the edge, and that you just liked Israel, which would give you an interesting internal division. And now you just do it because of your mum and dad.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I just do what every other good Jewish boy would have done.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. And that’s what disappoints me a bit.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You thought there was an active choice involved.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, exactly.</div>
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MK:</div>
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But why am I a “follower”?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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You bought the whole package.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I don’t buy it. Consider the facts. My parents married Jewish like all their friends. I then go to Jewish childcare, I attend Jewish preschool, I attend the Jewish school—no one questions any of this. I play soccer in the Jewish soccer club. That in itself is an absurd phenomenon. It is not until I am 13 – 14 years old—when I start playing handball—that I step outside of all of this, the Jewish ghetto. Until then it is pure Judaism. So in what way can you say I bought the whole package when you consider the other choices I have made, like getting children with a non-Jewish wife?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, maybe that’s what I have been thinking about.</div>
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MK:</div>
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But my son who says, “I don’t want to do the Bar Mitzvah. I don’t want to do that shit.”</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No?</div>
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MK:</div>
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One could say that the fact that I am doing those things means that I am the last Jew.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I am probably also the last one in my generation to have their children circumcised. That’s not something my son will do with his.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No, no.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I don’t think so.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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But I mean, the position I have fought for and attained in film is a bit like the position I would have had if I had been Jewish. You don’t understand, do you?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes, but what kind of position is that?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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It is like I am standing on the outside, right? That’s what Jews always have been able to in the countries they lived in. They have been to stand on the outside and therefore …</div>
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MK:</div>
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Been able to, yes, but not because we wanted to …</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Like, you can move into that ghetto over there, and then you can just walk around and be happy to live on the outside. That’s not something…</div>
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LvT:</div>
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But the reason for their success, if I may put it like that, is that they have been able to take their culture and everything else with them?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes, but that is only because they were not allowed to do anything else. The only reason, or at least the most important reason Jews have been able to do it, is that they have been placed in ghettoes and been thrown out of the countries in which they lived.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Not all, right?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes, all. Except Arabia, you could say. Arabia and the Turkish Middle East, but they never were allowed to live there; they were never considered full citizens, so in that way Jews have always been forced out.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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But listen, this is the chicken and egg problem we are talking about.</div>
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MK:</div>
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No, Lars—that is simply not true. The moment the Jews have had a chance to throw out all their stupid traditions and customs and sidecurls and everything—to get out of the ghetto quite simply—they have done just that.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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It might be that I have completely misunderstood this, but the self-chosen isolation is something to which I can relate, both in my film productions and in my life.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I understand.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Okay, listen here, you need to tell me why you think Jews always have been persecuted. Because that is not true.</div>
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MK:</div>
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When was it not true? Has there been an hour and a half at some point?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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But if they have been persecuted like that, then why do they have sidecurls and yarmulke and strange hats and everything else? That’s because they hold on to some traditions, and I think that is beautiful. I really like it.</div>
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MK:</div>
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But that’s good.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, but it is just because you say that it is all…</div>
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MK:</div>
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Because they have been sitting inside these ghettoes and looked over at the Polish rednecks, right? And then they developed some kind of self-image and story around them.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Listen, that self-image is really powerful.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Incredibly powerful!</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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And that has often something to do with believing that one is smarter than the idiots on the other side of the fence?</div>
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LVT:</div>
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Yes, one feels more intelligent.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes. And one is more esoteric and noisy and with big families. That kind of thing.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, and exciting traditions. That kind of thing.</div>
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MK.</div>
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What if you were offered a membership?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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That would be really fun. I would say yes on the spot.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Would you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. The only time I would let the people have my spirit would be on such an occasion.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Okay (laughs). “Let the people have my spirit”…</div>
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LvT:</div>
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How can I put it? It would just be…it would be really cool.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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When I think about it, it would be safe.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Okay, I have prepared a small thing for us to do. Since you like rituals and want to be member of the club.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Exciting. A circumcision pure and simple?</div>
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MK:</div>
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A kind of circumcision.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Let’s see. In fact, there are multiple things. First we take this for you to look at. (Pulls out a Hanukkah menorah.)</div>
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LvT:</div>
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You have cheated.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I have cheated a little bit. I prepared it in advance. Look. You are the one who has to do it.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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But I am shaking like crazy.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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You don’t give a damn?</div>
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MK:</div>
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I don’t give a damn. Others have done that before you.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Okay.</div>
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MK:</div>
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When they had to light the Hanukkah menorah. And then we have… (Pulls out two Jewish prayer shawls.)</div>
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LvT:</div>
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How pretty. That one is crazy beautiful, don’t you think?</div>
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MK:</div>
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You think so? Do you know what this is? (Points to the menorah).</div>
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LvT:</div>
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It’s a candlestick.</div>
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MK:</div>
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But what kind of candlestick?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Since we talked about Hanukkah, it probably has something to do with it.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes, it is a Hanukkah menorah.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Okay. 9 candles? There are 9 candles?</div>
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MK:</div>
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No, no, there are 8 candles. Hanukkah lasts for 8 days.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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How can you say there are 8 candles when there are 9?</div>
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MK:</div>
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The 9th candle is the one you use to light the other ones with.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Oh.</div>
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MK:</div>
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This is the servant. So there are 8 days, and we are here tonight on the 8th day. So we have to light 8 candles. Do you know why we celebrate Hanukkah?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No.</div>
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MK:</div>
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But you have been to a Hanukkah party before? You must have been to some.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes, I have been to several of them. But they were not very informative.</div>
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MK:</div>
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No, that’s obvious. And that’s the whole point about Judaism: you do things without asking why. If you first start asking, it all falls apart. If you don’t believe in God. And that’s the clever thing; the story you get about Hanukkah is that more than any other Jewish celebration it shows us what it is all about, namely, that some one tried to eliminate us, but we won because God helped us. And then we eat. That’s what all Jewish celebrations are about. So now we need one of these. This is a prayer shawl. Maybe your father had one of these. And then you must choose between four yarmulkes.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I like this one.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Well, that one is the settler yarmulke.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Oh, I am sorry (laughs)…is that right?</div>
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MK:</div>
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This one here is the 1970s yarmulke, like the one from my childhood.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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That’s right, it’s about fashion.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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This one here looks a bit pope-like.</div>
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MK:</div>
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That’s the South African tolerance yarmulke. That’s perhaps more you? And this one is the spare one you borrow from the synagogue.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Well, then I’ll take the borrow-one.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Would you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Okay, then I take the settler yarmulke, don’t you think that would be… Okay, then there is the prayer shawl, and there are a lot of symbols … (Puts it on LvT.) You are supposed to say a lot of prayers, but you do not have to do that today.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Okay. I know that each of these threads means something.</div>
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MK:</div>
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If you put them all together, there are just as many threads as there are laws in the Old Testament. I think that’s how it is. Let me put it on. There is a movement where you … (Puts on his own shawl).</div>
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LvT:</div>
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It is like Batman and Robin. I remember.</div>
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MK:</div>
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True. Who would you prefer to be?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Well, then I am Robin.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You look fantastic.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Thank you.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Okay, we are close. You light the first—first the servant, not the other ones.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Okay, no. (Tries to light the candle.) Does it work?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Not now, but now it does.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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One more time.</div>
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MK:</div>
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No, not there.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Was it miraculous?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes, the flame came back on. Then you have to say a prayer.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Okay.</div>
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MK:</div>
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The nice thing about Judaism is that you just say the prayers. You don’t have to understand any of it.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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No.</div>
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MK:</div>
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If I sing, will you repeat after me?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Singing?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Holy crap!</div>
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MK:</div>
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Okay?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. I am game.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Good. First you sing: Baruch ata Adonei.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Baruch ata Adonei.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…b’mitz’votav.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…b’mitz’votav.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…v’tzivanu.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…v’tzivanu.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…l’had’lik.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…l’had’lik.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…ner.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…ner.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Exactly.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Fantastic.</div>
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MK:</div>
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And then there is another one, which we will do a little faster: Baruch ata Adonei.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Baruch ata Adonei.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Eloheinu melech ha’olam.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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That’s difficult… Eloheinu melech ha’olam.</div>
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MK:</div>
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It means “Our God, the king of the world”… And then: she’asa nisim.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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… she’asa nisim.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…la’avoteinu.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…la’avoteinu.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…bayamim.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…bayamim.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…hahem.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…hahem.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…bazman.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…bazman.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…bazman.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…bazman.</div>
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MK:</div>
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You have to say it with a more Orientalist accent.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…bazman.</div>
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MK:</div>
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…hazé.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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…hazé.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Amen.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Amen?</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes, we say it together.</div>
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Both:</div>
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Amen.</div>
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MK:</div>
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And now you light the candle.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I simply can’t. My hands are shaking.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Why do you shake that much?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I have always done it, and then there is the medicine. It makes it worse. There is also nervousness somewhere. You won’t understand.</div>
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MK:</div>
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In Hebrew you write from right to left.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Okay.</div>
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MK:</div>
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We do the same with the candles. I am thinking about all this Jewry and Judaism. Why it interests you.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes?</div>
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MK:</div>
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It is because it is totally ritualized. There are rules and laws for everything, right? You have to do like this, and you eat like that. No matter if you have to fart or make love to you wife—no matter what. There are rules for everything. And you don’t have to believe it—you just have to do it. I don’t understand that kind of religious language at all. Do you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I have to, because if there is a difficult situation with one of my kids, then I pray to God. Without knowing where or who he is.</div>
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MK:</div>
<div style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 1.5; margin: -0.2em 0em 1em 2.5em; text-indent: 0em;">
Do you?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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What do you then say?</div>
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LT:</div>
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I say: “Dear God, keep your hand over Benjamin” or something like that.</div>
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MK:</div>
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I would never do that.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Never?</div>
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MK:</div>
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No.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I would, and it is bit like Niels Bohr with that damn horseshoe: it probably doesn’t hurt. I think there is something attractive about that. [Translators note: Bohr used to have a horseshoe hanging over the door to his summerhouse. When asked whether he thought it would bring good fortune, he answered, “Of course not, but I have heard that it also brings happiness even if you don’t believe in it.”]</div>
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MK:</div>
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How are we feeling now?</div>
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LvT:</div>
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I am feeling fine.</div>
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MK:</div>
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If you want, you are welcome. I don’t say that on behalf of any other Jews than myself. But you are always welcome.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Well, that’s good.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Try to smell—try to smell them. (The prayer shawls.) That’s what it smells like in the synagogues among the men. Like men’s perfume and mothballs.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes. (Laughs.)</div>
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MK:</div>
<div style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 1.5; margin: -0.2em 0em 1em 2.5em; text-indent: 0em;">
Goodbye, it was fun.</div>
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LvT:</div>
<div style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 1.5; margin: -0.2em 0em 1em 2.5em; text-indent: 0em;">
Yes. I think it was good.</div>
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MK:</div>
<div style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 1.5; margin: -0.2em 0em 1em 2.5em; text-indent: 0em;">
It was really good.</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Yes.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Well, I don’t know if it was. It will be up to our many …</div>
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LvT:</div>
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Absent viewers.</div>
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MK:</div>
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Yes, for our many absent viewers to judge.</div>
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THE END</div>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-13451750697210266312015-09-03T20:44:00.000-07:002015-09-03T20:44:03.073-07:00etrafta: Salman Sayyid söyleşisiakp'lileşmiş sıtar nivzpeypır yazarlarından zevzek salman sayyid milli görüş'ün <a href="http://perspektif.eu/sayi/2015/haziran/">perspektif</a> dergisine mülakat vermiş.<br />
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kendisinin zat-ı alilerine verdiğim ayarı sansürleme çabasına da değineyim bir postta.<br />
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aydınlanmacı fundamentalist lafını sanırım <i>enlightened fundamentalist</i>'in çevirisi olarak sunuyorlar, tabi ki bok gibi bir çeviri. kitabının türkçe adını 'kökten bir korku' [halbuki <i>fundamentalizm korkusu</i>] diye vermiş eleman, acaba okudular mı çok merak ediyorum.<br />
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-50315299668032506622015-08-14T09:44:00.003-07:002015-11-12T21:48:44.424-08:00'İçtimai Fazilet'in sonu: de facto diktatörlük de jure meşruiyet talep ediyorSeçimde milli irade tekleme yapınca unutulan milletle buluşmalara geri döndük, Rize'de CB'nın açıklaması<br />
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'Şimdi Almanya'yı da göreceğiz' 14 Ağustos 2015<br />
http://www.aa.com.tr/tr/manset/574729--hakimler-savcilar-yurt-disina-kacar-mi<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">"Türkiye 10 Ağustos 2014'te yeni bir döneme girmiştir" </span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Erdoğan, Türkiye'de hala 10 Ağustos 2014 seçimlerinin ifade ettiği anlamı kavramayan bir kesimin bulunduğunu belirterek, salondakilere şöyle seslendi: </span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">"Beyler, Türkiye 10 Ağustos 2014 tarihinde milletin doğrudan cumhurbaşkanını seçmesiyle yeni bir döneme girmiştir. Artık ülkede sembolik değil, fiili gücü olan bir cumhurbaşkanı var. Cumhurbaşkanı elbetti anayasada sınırları çizilen yetkiler çerçevesinde ama doğrudan millete karşı sorumlu olarak görevini yürütmek durumundadır. Bu makamda kim oturursa otursun yapacağı budur. İster kabul edilsin, ister edilmesin. <u>Türkiye'nin yönetim sistemi bu anlamda değişmiştir. Şimdi yapılması gereken bu fiili durumun hukuki çerçevesinin yeni bir anayasa ile netleştirilmesi, kesinleştirilmesidir. </u>Hem buna engel olup hem de 'Cumhurbaşkanı her şeye karışıyor' demek yağmur altında yürürken ıslanmaktan şikayet etmekten farksızdır. Bunların durumu budur."</span></blockquote>
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It is no exaggeration to state that Friedrich Kittler has been the kind of philosopher (together with Empedocles, Deleuze and a few others) who literally actualized his doctrine while facing death.</div>
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Dying in a hospital in Berlin and sustained only by medical life support instruments, his final words were “Alle Apparate ausschalten”, which translates as “switch off all apparatuses”.</div>
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In that way he offered a grandiose real-life actualization of his famous dictum: “Only that which is switchable exists” or alternatively: “Only that which can be switched, can be” (in german: “Nur was schaltbar ist, ist überhaupt”).</div>
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Logico-moral conclusion: Anything that can’t be “switched” can’t really “be,” at least under our current technical conditions…</div>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-85892489071150758572015-07-21T20:36:00.000-07:002015-07-21T20:36:13.911-07:00Yazamamak, Lanetlenmek ve IsrarBir süredir yazmak tam bir işkence, oturamıyorum, yoğunlaşamıyorum, yoğunlaşsam bile o vecd halinde çok uzun kalamıyorum. malum yaz, onun dışında yiyoruz, sonra tuvalet, uykumuz geliyor misal. cezbe halinde yazmadıysam, 2 günde 20 sf misal, olmuyor. çok değer verdiğim bir iş böyle yarım kaldı ve utancımdan yerin dibine geçicem. Şurada <a href="https://itself.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/since-i-gave-up-hope-i-feel-a-lot-better/">Adam Kotsko</a> güzel demiş: uzun erimli projeler duygu hallerinden bağımsız, programa uyarak, katedilecek mesafeleri iyi kötü katederek halledilebilir diyor.<br />
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Şurada biri İngilitere akademisi bağlamında <a href="http://patthomson.net/2015/06/29/what-is-an-outstanding-publication/"><i>outstanding </i>yayın nedir?</a>'e cevaplar aramış, fena değil. <b>authoritative voice </b>noktasında şöyle bir sıkıntı var: zımnen beyaz değilsen, öyle çok efelenmeyeceksin, zaten misafirsin, ha bir de ingilizcen kötü, sus diyorlar. dahası, benim için daha mühim olan nokta, gavur gamsızlığı. anlatayım<br />
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şahsen yazmadan önce girerim, dergipark'tan milli kütüphane'den konuyla ilgili kaynakça yaparım, okurum, çoğu zaman o kadar okurum ki yazamam. gavur veya yurtdışında eğitimini görmüş ya da dümdüz etrafından soyut salakların ortak yönü konuya dair birkaç birincil kaynakla işi kotarmaları, ikincil literatüre bakmadan tasfiye etmeleri. evet anadolu ünileri özellikle kötü ama gene de yazının borcudur, hem muhatab alındıkça, eleştiri oldukça işler düzelecek (çok naifimdir). kayseri erciyes tarih diyelim, skandal kötü bölümlerden, bugüne dek ciddiye alınmamış kendi kafalarınca gidiyorlar, herkes transkripsiyonla ma, phd, doçentlik almış. peki birisi ifşa etse, karşılaşsa? elbette ki küfür yeriz, evimize telefon gelir vs vs ama mesele bir kere olsa, bir kere yüzlerine vurulsa vasatlıkları işlerin dönüşeceği muhakkak. iyi veya kötü yönde, bunu kurumlardaki ısrarımız belirler. gavura dönelim: gavur türkiye'deki yayınları takip etmez veya etmez gibi yapar. misal osm'da basım yayın çalışan bir gavur arkadaşımız kemal beydilli'nin mühendishane kitabını bilmiyordu. şimdi döver misin, döversin. türkçe okuyamayıp, farsça-arapça bilen ve bunun üzerine yaz kursuyla yalap şalap osmanlıca çakan gavurlar misal türkçe literatürden tamamen habersiz. <i>Neferin Adı Yok</i>'u okumadan misal Osmanlı modernleşmesi tartışılabiliyor. derdi kimseyi yapmadıklarıyla dövmek değil, fakat azmetmedikleriyle itham etmek.<br />
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bu da böyle bir dağınık fikirler manzumesi, büyük ihtimal pişmanlık takip edecekUnknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-49007178094703483722015-06-24T01:21:00.001-07:002015-06-24T01:21:28.448-07:00My Least Favorite Life çevirisi #TrueDetectiveLera Lynn'in True Detective s2e1'den yürek yırtan şarkısı 'My Least Favorite Life'<br />
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Ve milyonlarca dalavereye gark olmuş bir buse<o:p></o:p></div>
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Trenden öteye gidiyor istasyon,<o:p></o:p></div>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-69684887350667107592015-03-25T11:48:00.000-07:002015-03-25T11:49:33.311-07:00ortadoğu'dan ilim manzaralarıGözümden kaçmış, The Oxford Handbook of Islam and Politics'deki AKP maddesini İbrahim Kalın yazmış, aşırı objektif felan. 2023 anırmasıyla bitiyor<br />
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The Ak Party in Turkey</h1>
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This article discusses the emergence of Turkey’s Justice and Development Party (Adalet ve Kalkınma Partisi; the AK Party) as a center-right political movement with Islamic and national roots. It examines the AK Party’s political ideology of “conservative democracy” within the context of the new dynamics of twenty-first-century Turkish politics. It evaluates the AK Party’s performance in government since taking office in 2002. Finally, the AK Party’s foreign policy and its struggle to overcome oppositional identities are considered.</div>
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I assure you I do not aim at singularity. I give you opinions which have been accepted amongst us, from very early times to this moment, with a continued and general approbation, and which indeed are worked into my mind that I am unable to distinguish what I have learned from others from the results of my own meditation.<sup>1</sup></div>
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THE rise of the Justice and Development Party (Adalet ve Kalkınma Partisi; mentioned hereafter as the AK Party) into prominence in Turkish society and politics is the result of a complex set of circumstances. The AK Party’s political outlook, performance in government, electoral base, and successive victories at the ballot box require a proper understanding of Turkish culture and politics at the turn of the second millennium. Major changes in Turkey’s surrounding region and the international system since the end of the Cold War have opened up new possibilities for Turkey to assert itself as a major regional power and global player in its foreign policy. Coming to power after a series of economic crises and political stalemate in the late 1990s, the AK Party has been a catalyst of social change and set in motion a new period of reform in Turkish politics. The AK Party’s dominance, however, has also been ensured by its ability to be a conduit of change demanded by the Turkish public in general as well as the European Union (EU) criteria. While redefining the main parameters of Turkish politics, the successive AK Party governments since 2002 have made use of the enduring elements of Turkish culture and society, thus treading a carefully crafted path between tradition and change. Acting with a cosmopolitan spirit, the AK Party leaders have embraced both national values and global trends and sought to create a synthesis—a synthesis that suggests new modes of relation between tradition and modernity on the one hand and Islam and the political order on the other.</div>
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The AK Party’s reformist agenda, while gaining support from its electoral base and the outside world, has brought it into confrontation with the prominent elements of the Turkish establishment including the military, judiciary, media, and pro-status quo business circles. Major divisions have arisen over such critical issues as the 1982 constitution written by the military generals of the 1980 military coup, civil rights and liberties, freedom of religion including the headscarf ban at Turkish universities, the Kurdish issue, demands of the Alevi community, non-Muslim minorities, and civilian-military relations. The AK Party has also faced resistance from the old foreign policy circles that criticize the AK Party for allegedly moving Turkey away from its traditional Western vocation and placing it within a more Eastern and Islamic-looking axis. In addition to the opposition of legal political parties, the AK Party governments have survived several coup attempts in 2003 and 2004, the alleged perpetrators of which have been tried in the Ergenekon and Balyoz cases.</div>
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Under the dynamic and bold leadership of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the successive AK Party governments have had a twofold performance. On the one hand, they have dealt with issues of “high politics” such as democratization, minority rights, secularism, and civilian-military relations and broken many taboos in the country’s recent history. On the other hand, they have implemented effective policies to fix the economy, establish a sound financial system, increase trade and foreign direct investment, and inject a new energy into foreign policy—areas in which they have been extremely successful. Steady economic growth, despite the ill effects of the global financial crisis of 2007, has been the backbone of the AK Party’s reformist politics and assertive foreign policy. These policies have redefined center-periphery relations in Turkey and created new social and economic opportunities for the disfranchised segments of Turkish society.</div>
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In this period of deep social change, massive political realignment, and economic growth, Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been a trailblazer with his charismatic personality, bold political moves, and impressive performance to garner support from among the wide spectrum of Turkish society. Whether confronting the generals, big businesses, media bosses, or Israel, Erdogan has become a powerful voice of the periphery and the marginalized and challenged the establishment in both domestic and international politics. Erdogan has not shied away from taking political risks sometimes at his own peril but has managed to survive several major crises such as the coup attempts of 2003 and 2004 and the closure case against his own party in 2008. Successive electoral victories and increasing popularity have emboldened Erdogan in implementing his reformist agenda and reshaping the main contours of Turkish politics. These elements have brought Erdogan regional and international fame as a regional and global leader watched closely by different constituencies from Europe and the United States to the Balkans and the Middle East. In many ways, Erdogan’s personal story, about which he remains rather shy, has become the story of Turkey and the surrounding region in the first decade of the twenty-first century.<sup>2</sup></div>
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In what follows, I will discuss the rise of the AK Party as a center-right political movement with Islamic and national roots and analyze its political identity and reformist agenda in the context of the state-centered tradition of Turkish politics. I shall discuss the AK Party’s self-perception as a party of “conservative democracy” within the context of the new dynamics of Turkish politics in the twenty-first century. This will be followed by an evaluation of the AK Party’s performance in government since it took office in 2002 and its efforts to strike a balance between politics of identity and politics of services. Finally, I shall look at the AK Party’s foreign policy and its struggle to overcome oppositional identities in the new global system with multiple centers and emerging powers.</div>
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The AK Party’s Political Identity: “Conservative Democracy”</h2>
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The AK Party’s political ideology formulated as “conservative democracy” has emerged in response to the rigid ideological divisions of Turkish politics in the twentieth century. Taking elements from both the right and the left of the political spectrum, the AK Party founders have sought to create a political identity wide enough to embrace different segments of Turkish society from the religious and conservative to the urban and the liberal. They have also embraced the new opportunities of globalization and sought to reconcile them with the traditional Islamic and national values of Turkey. This critical attitude has added an important dimension of cosmopolitanism to the AK Party’s brand of Islam and political conservatism and enabled it to look East and West at the same time.<sup>3</sup>Overcoming the fears and threat perceptions of the Cold War era has been one of the hallmarks of the AK Party’s political identity and self-perception. Speaking in 2003, Erdogan articulated this point as follows:</div>
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<span class="hangquote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px -0.5em; position: absolute;">"</span>One observes that, like in the case of socialism, liberalism, and conservatism, all political movements are going through a substantive process of interaction with each other. We now witness not a differentiation and polarization of ideologies with sharp and bold lines of division between them, but the formation of new political courses accompanying the pervasiveness of different ideologies. We have before us, therefore, a more colored and multidimensional picture rather than a sharp black-and-white image.<sup>4</sup>"</div>
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An important component of this “substantive process of interaction” has been the desire to overcome such oppositional identities as religious versus democratic, Islamic versus Western, conservative versus liberal, urban versus rural, and patriotic versus globalist. Such binary oppositions have shaped Turkish culture and politics during the Cold War but can no longer explain the multifaceted realities of the twenty-first century. The new generation of Turkish policy makers, which include many of the AK Party’s founders and key players, witnessed the rapid transformation of Turkish culture and politics under Turgut Ozal in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The Ozal years were a period of struggle to integrate Turkey into the global political system after the end of the Cold War, when many policy makers feared that Turkey would lose its strategic significance and relevance for the Western alliance. Acting with a globalist outlook but conservative base, Ozal sought to reform the Turkish political system by opening Turkey up to the new forces of globalization.</div>
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The AK Party’s political roots, however, go back not to Ozal but to Necmettin Erbakan, the founder of the National Outlook Movement (Milli Gorus). Both Erdogan and Abdullah Gul, Turkey’s current president and a close friend of Erdogan, as well as other founders of the AK Party such as Bulent Arinc have entered politics under Erbakan in the 1970s. Until the founding of the AK Party in 2001, they have defended the core political ideas of Milli Gorus regarding Turkey’s EU membership, cultural policies, and relations with the Muslim world. But after Erdogan and Gul parted their ways with Erbakan and his Virtue Party in the early 2000 and founded the AK Party, they have adopted a radically different perspective and redefined their political ideology. While the AK Party leadership has been accused by its detractors as a continuation of Milli Gorus and thus maintaining its core Islamist stance, the AK Party has forged a new political identity based on cosmopolitan values, conservative politics, liberal economic policies, and a globalist and pro-active foreign policy.<sup>5</sup></div>
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As the AK Party has positioned itself as a center-right conservative party, it has distinguished itself from the Islamist political parties in the Muslim world. In contrast to Islamist movements that aim to establish a Shari‘ah state, the AK Party embraces pluralism and democracy and supports the Anglo-American definition of secularism, which keeps the state at an equal distance to all faiths and religions. This notion of secularism does not establish religion as a source of legislation; instead, it focuses on freedom of religion and the protection of religion from political manipulation. Thus Erdogan separates religion as a source of moral and social values from religion as a basis of state legislation. Articulating this point in 2004, Erdogan said,</div>
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Erdogan reiterated this view of secularism in his visit to Egypt in September 2011 in the aftermath of the fall of Hosni Mubarak, causing a lively debate among Egyptian Islamists.</div>
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Militant Secularism and Democratization</h2>
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In order to fully appreciate the AK Party’s fine-tuning of secularism, it would be useful to compare and contrast it with the aggressive and militant versions of Turkish secularism. The aggressive Turkish secularists see secularism not simply as a separation of religious and state affairs but as a comprehensive worldview and complete lifestyle. Following the nineteenth-century concepts of rationalism, positivism, scientism, and individualism, the militant secularists see religion and tradition as an absolute other of secularism, modernity, development, and progress and seek to use state power to impose a secularist worldview in the name of modernization. The oppressive nature of Turkish secularism has thus resulted in the curbing of basic religious rights for both the Muslim majority and non-Muslim minorities in Turkey. Not only aggressively antireligious and antitradition programs of social engineering have been turned into a rigid state ideology but also such issues as the banning of headscarves in schools, and universities and public offices have become a deeply divisive issue between secularist-Kamalist elites and mainstream Turkish society. The AK Party’s struggle to soften the rigid versions of secularism has been a constant theme of its rule since 2002.</div>
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A typical example of the kind of rigid and militant secularism is the 1998 decision of the Constitutional Court of Turkey to ban the Welfare Party (Refah Partisi) of which Prime Minister Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul were members. Deciding to close down the ruling Welfare Party at the height of the infamous February 28 process when the Erbakan government was forced out of office by a “postmodern coup,” the Constitutional Court decision stated that secularism is not simply a separation of religion and politics but “separation of religion and worldly affairs....It means separation of social life, education, family, economics, law, manners, dress code, etc. from religion...It is Turkey’s philosophy of life.”<sup>7</sup> The Court decision further stated,</div>
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<span class="hangquote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px -0.5em; position: absolute;">"</span>The Turkish Revolution acquired its meaning through secularism. Secularism has separated religiosity and scientific mentality; it accelerated the march toward civilization by preventing the replacement of science by religion. Indeed, [the meaning] of secularism cannot be limited to the separation of religion and the affairs of the state. It is a milieu of civilization, freedom, and modernity, whose dimensions are larger and whose field is broader. It is Turkey’s modernization philosophy, its method of living humanly. It is the ideal of the humanity.<sup>8</sup>"</div>
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This rigid and ideological definition of secularism has created much division and tension between old Republican elites and ordinary citizens. Implementing top-down state secularism as a tool to manage and shape society, the secularist establishment has sought to create a worldview and lifestyle out of a narrow and antireligious definition of secularism.<sup>9</sup> The militant Turkish secularists who have grown to be deeply anti-AK Party see secularism as more essential than democracy for the Republic. They also see the curbing of civil liberties and religious freedom as indispensable for maintaining the secular character of the modern Turkish Republic. Much of the battle over the question of secularism and religion in recent years has raged around this narrow and rigid notion of secularism and the AK Party’s struggle to replace “laicism” with an Anglo-American notion of state secularity.<sup>10</sup></div>
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This struggle has been a part of the story of Turkish modernization. The top-down, Jacobean model of Turkish modernization has collided with the moderate and conservative modernity of the ordinary Turkish people. This has created a deep tension between the elites and the people. According to Şerif Mardin, the top-down analyses of Turkish modernization are marred by their simplistic binaries of religion versus secularism (laicism), tradition versus modernity, empire versus nation, reason versus science, progressive enlightenment versus dogmatism, and so forth. Mardin sees this reductionism as a function of the Kamalist ideology of nation building in the early decades of the twentieth century. But he also links it to the “recent attempts to define a Turkish authenticity” as a replay of secular nationalism and radical scientism à la Comte.<sup>11</sup> Attempting to replace Muslim communitarianism with a secular nation-state identity, the founders of the Republic had hoped to change the “superstructure” of Turkish society and create a new “central value system.”<sup>12</sup> But they have largely failed in this risky endeavor and instead created artificial and costly divisions across Turkish society.</div>
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A New Axis of Center-Periphery Relations</h2>
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As a result of the process of estrangement and alienation, the center-periphery relations have been a constant theme of social tension and political friction in Turkey. Since coming to power in 2002, the AK Party policies have sought to redefine these relations, allowing more space for the traditionally marginalized members of the periphery. The idea of being a voice for the silent majority and bringing the periphery to the center has been a powerful source of social and political mobilization for the AK Party. Since the AK Party itself comes from the political and economic periphery, it has been able to project itself as an antiestablishment and reformist political movement. Every major confrontation between the AK Party and the establishment has strengthened the AK Party’s electoral base and garnered support from liberal writers, columnists, and opinion leaders. This struggle has led to the redefinition of political center in Turkey.<sup>13</sup></div>
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While rejecting militant secularism, the AK Party accepts secularism as the separation of religion and politics, on the one hand, and as the protection of religious belief, on the other. But it also supports the idea of giving more freedom and visibility to religious (and other) identities in the public sphere. The AK Party officials see religious freedom including the freedom of wearing headscarf in universities as part of the larger context of civil liberties and freedoms. It is important to note that the defenders of the right of wearing the headscarf at public institutions oppose the ban on the basis of civil liberties and human rights rather than on the basis of a strictly religious argument. This approach is also adopted by the AK Party, which sees religious freedom as part of the larger framework of human rights. This outlook has been part of the AK Party’s political identity and is embraced by the Turkish public, thus giving it a clearly cosmopolitan and globalist outlook in the fiercely patriotic context of Turkish society.</div>
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Coming from a political periphery that has long been disenfranchised and disempowered by the state elites, the AK Party leaders emphasize society over the state. They reject secularism as a project of social engineering and instead defend allowing the society in general to develop its own civic identity. Given the largely religious and conservative nature of Turkish society, an organic and free flourishing of the public and civic sphere means that the society at large will maintain its traditional-religious values while embracing such values as democracy, human rights, transparency, accountability, and good governance—values that undergird any civic and democratic regime. Speaking to this point, Erdogan says that “all efforts that impose or order certain principles and aim at a homogeneous society, or are based on social engineering are obstacles to a healthy democratic system....Our identity as conservative democrats makes us oppose all kinds of social and political engineering.”<sup>14</sup> Having suffered from the failed projects of radical social engineering during the single-party rule of the Republican Party (1923–1950), most Turks reject state-imposed policies as creating a deep sense of alienation between the state and the people. One of Erdogan’s political virtues has been to fill this gap through social policies based on the traditional values and civic networks of the fairly diverse Turkish society. Erdogan sees not the state but the “people,” as he often says, as the ultimate source of political legitimacy. He notes that “the most effective source to make societies more prosperous, open, and democratic, and thus render regimes stronger and more peaceful, can be found within those societies themselves.”<sup>15</sup> While critics label this as a form of naïve populism and idealistic nativism, the AK Party’s multidimensional and complex identity allows for an inclusive cosmopolitan perspective and political program.</div>
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Islam and the Redefinition of Political Center</h2>
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The AK Party’s first major political manifesto <i>Conservative Democracy</i> (2002) written by Prime Minister Erdogan’s political advisor Yalçın Akdoğan, currently a member in the Parliament, and Erdogan’s various statements make it clear that the AK Party does not aim to establish a Shari‘ah state and thus cannot be called an “Islamist political party.” The AK Party’s founding leaders hail from a political tradition that has clear affinities with such Islamic movements as the Muslim Brotherhood in the Arab world and the Jama‘at-i Islami of the subcontinent of India. There are also causes such as the Palestinian struggle against the Israeli occupation, Afghan war against the Soviets, or the Chechen wars of independence in the 1990s with which the AK Party supporters have identified. But such ideational sympathies and political affinities should not be generalized to assume direct or organic links between the AK Party and the worldwide network of political Islamic movements and organizations. As a ruling political party, the AK Party has developed relations with various political parties and organizations from Greece and Germany to Malaysia and Pakistan.</div>
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The AK Party traces its conservatism to the traditional beliefs and practices of the Turkish people as a majority-Muslim society. Erdogan sees Turkey’s traditional values and customs as an asset to sustain a fully functioning and pluralistic democracy in such a diverse and multicultural society as Turkey. For instance, in addressing the Kurdish issue<sup>16</sup>, Erdogan has appealed to Islam as a unifying bond between Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Circassians, Bosnians, and other ethnic groups. He does not see any contradiction between conservatism and universalism. As he puts it:</div>
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<span class="hangquote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px -0.5em; position: absolute;">"</span>Universal values that are embodied in the concept of democracy and supported by principles such as human rights, rule of law, good governance are the product of the collected wisdom derived from different civilizations. Historically, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have all played a central role in forming this collective wisdom.<sup>17</sup>"</div>
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This globalist outlook plays an important role in the AK Party’s cosmopolitan political identity and government performance. The process of overcoming oppositional identities and rigid dichotomies, which began with Turgut Ozal after the fall of the Berlin Wall, has reached a new level of maturity under Erdogan. He himself has come to symbolize the ability to manage the multilayered texture of Turkish society with its Muslim, non-Muslim, Turkish and non-Turkish elements. The AK Party’s wide appeal with the large parts of Turkish voters stems from its flexible, inclusive, and multilayered political identity. This approach has led to a healthy criticism of the rigid forms of aggressive secularism that have been the hallmark of Turkish modernization since the founding of the Turkish Republic in 1923. Erdogan has articulated this point as follows:</div>
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<span class="hangquote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px -0.5em; position: absolute;">"</span>A significant part of the Turkish society desires to adopt a concept of modernity that does not reject tradition, a belief of universalism that accepts localism, an understanding of rationalism that does not disregard the spiritual meaning of life, and a choice for change that is not fundamentalist. The concept of conservative democracy is, in fact, and answers to this desire of the Turkish people.<sup>18</sup>"</div>
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Since the AK Party does not incorporate religion into its political program, comparisons with Christian democrat parties in Europe have their limits. The open references to (Christian) religious and moral values in such political parties as the Christian Democratic Union (CDU-CSU) in Germany, the Popular Republican Movement (Mouvement républicain populaire [MRP]) in France, and the Christian Democracy Party (Democrazia Cristiana [DC]) in Italy are not found in the AK Party’s political proclamations and election campaigns. In contrast to the Christian democrats of Europe, religion is more subdued in the case of the AK Party, presented as an important source of moral principles and social values of Turkish society rather than a source of legislation or political action. In fact, the AK Party officials have generally avoided comparisons with European Christian democrat parties for domestic political reasons and because of the substantial differences between the experiences of conservative parties in Turkey and Christian political organizations in Europe. Speaking shortly after the November 2002 victory of his party, Erdogan said that “some people may think differently. They may look towards such bodies as the Christian democratic parties in Europe. That is their view and their reality. We do not share it.”<sup>19</sup></div>
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In forging a new political identity, the AK Party has sought to reconcile several trends. This identity can be described as conservative in its understanding of history, tradition, and family values, liberal in its economic policies, advocate of social justice in regards to social policies, and Republican and democratic in its notion of representative democracy. While some critics describe this as incoherent and contradictory, the AK Party has managed to maintain its multilayered political identity, and its electoral base seems to be supportive of this inclusive approach. In many ways, this is now a fact of what is described as multiple modernities.<sup>20</sup></div>
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Politics as Good Governance</h2>
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The AK Party’s performance as a ruling party has been a key component of its dominance in Turkish politics since 2002. Maintaining a careful balance between issues of identity and service, the AK Party has outpaced its rivals in successive local and national elections. Several factors have ensured this success for the AK Party. First of all, most Turkish voters, like elsewhere, evaluate a government on its performance in handling the economy and providing services. Coming to power after the disastrous economic crises of 1999 and 2001, the AK Party as a single-party government has performed remarkably well in the economic field, turning Turkey into a major economic power. In 2010, Turkey became the sixth largest economy in Europe and the seventeenth largest in the world, gaining a respectable seat in the G-20. The AK Party’s economic team designed one of the most successful economic programs in recent history and brought about an exponential growth in the Turkish gross domestic product (GDP) to the point of parting ways with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) program without an economic or political crisis. Thanks to political stability and a sound financial system, foreign direct investment (FDI) has flown into Turkey despite the global financial crisis of 2007 and 2008. Successive AK Party governments have been largely successful in keeping inflation and unemployment under manageable levels.<sup>21</sup></div>
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Second, Erdogan’s background as the mayor of Istanbul has played an important role in delivering services to big cities as well as remote areas of the country. An impressive number of service programs have been designed and implemented to close the gap between urban centers and rural areas while big metropolitan cities have maintained their competitive edge in economic growth and social mobility. The visible success of the AK Party municipalities has given Prime Minister Erdogan a major footing in all corners of the country. The AK Party’s socioeconomic policies and programs have maintained a fairly reasonable balance between liberal, free-market policies and the notion of social justice and equal distribution. Providing low-cost social services including free healthcare coverage through green cards for the needy, supplying primary school students with free textbooks, giving monthly stipends for families with children in school, and similar projects have helped low-income families move up the socioeconomic scale. A major housing project undertaken by TOKI, the housing agency under the direct supervision of Prime Minister Erdogan, has built close to half a million apartments for low-income families across the country. All of these policies have paid off in terms of economic and social justice as well as electoral victories for the AK Party.</div>
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The balance between identity issues on the one hand, and services and good governance on the other is thus a distinguishing characteristic of the AK Party’s political identity. This is reflected in the two words of the Party’s official name: justice (<i>adalet</i>) and development (<i>kalkınma</i>). While “justice” refers to issues concerning identity, equal representation, democracy, civil liberties, human rights, and religious freedom, “development” denotes Turkey’s aspirations to become an affluent society and a prosperous country. Widening economic opportunities have opened up new opportunity spaces for new social agents and set in motion new modes of social mobility. This has taken place both horizontally and vertically. While the newly emerging socioeconomic agents have moved more freely and in larger numbers from rural to urban areas, those in the big cities have also moved up in the large scale of social and economic opportunities. For instance, the famous “Anatolian Tigers,” composed of medium-size businesses from the central regions and cities of Anatolia, have taken up new opportunities at the national, regional, and global level. Like the other new actors of Turkish modernization, they have embraced globalization in a way that does not negate their religious identities and traditional customs. While the Anatolian Tigers precede the AK Party, they have pushed the social and economic agenda of the Anatolian periphery to the political center.</div>
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In regards to social and economic policies, the AK Party has displayed a combination of idealism and pragmatism. Erdogan has refused to follow populist economic policies but also stood up against the IMF’s and the World Bank’s rigid programs for Turkey. By diversifying the manufacturing sector, inviting foreign investment, keeping a close tap on the banking system, and increasing trade with neighboring countries, the AK Party governments have implemented largely successful economic policies and gained the support and confidence of Turkish voters. Good governance, disciplined work, and self-confidence have undergirded these policies, silencing many of the AK Party’s rivals and critics.</div>
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Judicial Reforms and Civilian-Military Relations</h2>
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Introducing judicial reforms to democratize the Turkish judiciary and redefining the military under democratic control has been one of the most pressing challenges that the AK Party governments have faced. The Turkish military has not been shy about interfering with civilian politics as evidenced by the four coups and interventions in 1960, 1971, 1980, and 1997. The military generals have justified these interventions on the basis of their narrow definition of the security of the Republic and the very specific notion of secularism discussed above.<sup>22</sup> The 1982 constitution assigns to the military the mission of protecting the Turkish Republic and its core values against “internal and external threats.” Combined with the traditional respect of the Turkish people for the military, army generals have been open about assuming a political and ideological role for the protection of the secular Republic and acted both openly and discretely against what they considered to be threats to the state. Most political parties and governments, fearful of the army’s power and influence, have acquiesced.<sup>23</sup></div>
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As part of its reformist agenda, the AK Party has come, especially in its early years, into confrontation with the powerful Turkish military that suspects the AK Party and its core leadership of maintaining a hidden Islamist agenda and engaging in political “dissimulation” (<i>takiyye</i>). Given the fact that the army generals had forced the Erbakan government out of power in 1997 through a “postmodern coup”<sup>24</sup> and that the AK Party itself has survived several coup attempts in its early tenure in government, the civilian-military relations has been part of the AK Party’s political thinking on democracy and democratic control.<sup>25</sup> The AK Party has largely succeeded in redefining the matrix of civilian-military relations to set limits to the military’s involvement in politics and to bring the army under democratic control. Erdogan’s careful handling of the sensitive issue of civilian-military relations has aimed at keeping the powerful Turkish Armed Forces out of politics and changing Turkey’s national security concept while at the same time strengthening the army’s military capabilities and professional organization. The politically influential National Security Council, traditionally a platform for the military to dictate its views upon civilian governments, has been turned into an advisory body with a civilian secretary general. In addition to the army, the powers and responsibilities of police forces have been redefined and a “zero-tolerance to torture policy” has been successfully implemented. These measures have been supported by the Turkish public and hailed as one of the most important steps toward the normalization of Turkish democracy. In tandem with Turkey’s new security outlook, most state institutions have abandoned their old threat perceptions going back to the Cold War period and adopted a more sophisticated and nuanced understanding of the global political order in the first decade of the twenty-first century.<sup>26</sup></div>
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In regards to judicial reforms and the new constitution, various antidemocratic and tutelary laws have either been changed or abolished. For instance, state security courts with extra powers have been abolished. The 1982 constitution drafted by the military generals who carried out the 1980 coup have been amended with the most substantial changes coming on September 12, 2010 where the Constitutional Court and the judicial bodies have been restructured. In 2007, the AK Party had attempted to draft a new constitution but failed to garner the support of opposition parties. After the September 12, 2010 referendum, the AK Party has again raised the issue of the new constitution but achieving a national consensus with all the political parties on the right and the left, nongovernmental organizations (NGOs), and human rights organizations seems as difficult as before. The new constitution is likely to remain a contentious political issue.<sup>27</sup></div>
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These democratic reforms have been introduced in tandem with Turkey’s EU membership goal—a goal that the AK Party governments have taken to heart especially between 2003 and 2007. While the EU regulations and the Copenhagen Criteria have been an important driving force behind the reforms, the demand for more transparency, accountability, and civilian rule has also provided a suitable political environment for the government to carry on with its reforms. The AK Party acted on this political capital and secured the support of liberal intellectuals and academics. But it also mobilized its conservative and traditionally anti-Western base in support of the EU and sought to redefine Turkey’s relationship with Western culture and civilization based on universal values, equality, and fairness. This has been one of the most dramatic and unforeseen changes in the recent history of Turkish culture: traditionally anti-Western and anti-European segments of Turkish society have changed their view in favor of joining the EU as a full member whereas the pro-Western secularist establishment has turned against the EU because of its suspicion that EU reforms provide a cover for the AK Party’s hidden Islamist agenda.<sup>28</sup></div>
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While critics express concern over the AK Party’s loss of enthusiasm for the EU, the domestic agenda of democratization has not lost its steam. The bumpy period since 2005 when Turkey began official negotiations for full membership in the EU has sharpened the general sense that Turkey needs EU reforms not only for the sake of membership but also because of the higher standards of democracy, good governance, transparence, accountability, and human rights that the Copenhagen Criteria stipulate. It should be noted, however, that the once highly enthusiastic Turkish public has become rather frustrated and fatigued about Turkey joining the EU because of the opposition of several key EU members including France and Germany to Turkey’s full membership.</div>
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The AK Party and Foreign Policy: Turkey Rediscovers the World</h2>
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Foreign policy is one of the areas in which the AK Party has introduced a new paradigm and changed the strategic thinking of Turkish policy makers. Acting with a mixture of idealism, realism, and pragmatism, the AK Party governments have redefined Turkey’s foreign policy priorities and begun to embrace Turkey’s traditional hinterland extending from the Balkans to the Middle East. Ever since the traumatic loss of the Ottoman Empire, Turkish policy makers have seldom appealed to anything like the American doctrine of “manifest destiny” as the guiding principle of an interventionist and expansionist foreign policy.<sup>29</sup> Turkish foreign policy during much of the early Republican period has revolved around Ataturk’s famous phrase “peace at home, peace in the world,” which meant developing good relations with big powers but maintaining a minimum engagement with adjacent neighbors. The Eurocentric thrust of Turkish modernization and its ideological preferences have kept Turkey away from playing a significant role in the Middle East and the larger Muslim world for much of the twentieth century. The geopolitical realities of the twenty-first century, however, are urging Turkey to reclaim its place in the geopolitical areas over much of which the Ottoman Empire had ruled for four centuries.</div>
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In its new foreign policy outlook, Turkey is responding to the fundamental changes taking place in the international system and its immediate neighborhood. The current international order is functioning without a center or with multiple centers, which amounts more or less to the same thing. The center(s) of the world are up for grabs, and there are no guaranteed winners on the horizon. The talk about a “post-American world” is increasingly turning into a debate about a post-imperial America, on the one hand, and the “Rise of the Rest,” on the other.<sup>30</sup> It remains to be seen how the survival instincts of American power will play out in world politics. Yet it is clear that it is no longer possible to manage the world system from a solely American, European, or Russian point of view. Big contenders such as China and India and emerging powers such as Turkey and Brazil are changing the way international order functions and regional issues are addressed. By becoming an economic powerhouse and a major diplomatic force, Turkey has transformed itself into a regional power and a global actor with ties in both the East and the West.</div>
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As a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and candidate for the EU, Turkey has maintained a high-level strategic partnership with Europe and the United States. Despite the opposition of France and Germany to Turkey’s EU membership, Turkey has good bilateral relations with most European countries and close to half of its foreign trade is still with Europe. The United States-Turkish relations have maintained their significance and momentum under the AK Party rule despite Turkey’s refusal to support the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. In his visit to Turkey in April 2009, his first to any country as US president, Barack Obama used the phrase “model partnership” to describe the broad spectrum of United States-Turkish relations from Iraq and Afghanistan to Lebanon and the Balkans. The concept of model partnership, however, has been tested on several occasions involving the Iranian nuclear program and Turkish-Israeli relations after the Gaza war of 2008.<sup>31</sup></div>
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While maintaining good relations with the West, the AK Party has also strengthened Turkey’s relationship with its Middle Eastern and Muslim neighbors. The policy of normalization and engagement with neighbors has led to a heavy diplomatic traffic, lifting of visas, the establishment of “high-level strategic councils,” increased trade and tourism, and numerous mediation efforts by Turkey. Turkey’s engagement policy with Syria has ushered in a new period of political and economic relations though things have taken a dramatic turn after the Asad regime’s brutal crackdown on the opposition forces in Syria after the Arab revolutions of Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt. Erdogan has openly supported the Arab revolutions and stood by the legitimate demands of the people of Syria for political reform. This has led to serious tensions between Turkey and Syria especially since the end of 2011. The civil war in Syria has also created divisions between Turkey and the outside supporters of the Baath regime in Syria, i.e., Iran and Russia.</div>
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Turkey’s refusal to take part in the US invasion of Iraq has not prevented it from playing an active role in the postinvasion Iraqi politics and regional diplomacy. Turkey has been involved in Lebanon and Palestine, where good relations with all political parties and factions have been maintained. Turkey’s relations with Iran have increased especially in regards to trade as Iran has become Turkey’s second largest gas provider after Russia. Turkey has sought to improve relations with all of its neighbors including Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, and Armenia. The AK Party governments have succeeded in creating a new sense of confidence with Greece, Turkey’s traditional rival in the Aegean Sea, and started a process of increased relationship between the two countries. In 2009, Turkey signed a protocol with Armenia to normalize relations but the Nagorno-Karabakh issue and the Armenian claims to genocide have stalled the process.</div>
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This policy of looking East and West at the same time has become a hallmark of the AK Party’s foreign policy vision. An important application of this new outlook is the Alliance of Civilizations Initiative co-sponsored by Prime Minister Erdogan and his Spanish counterpart Zapatero under the UN secretary general. Erdogan has opposed Huntington’s clash of civilizations analysis and proposed the alliance of civilizations as an alternative platform to bring diverse cultures and societies closer to one another. Reflecting a strong sense of cosmopolitanism, the Alliance of Civilizations Initiative has appealed in particular to Muslim and Western societies to overcome their historical differences and reject calls for clash and confrontation.</div>
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While Erdogan’s strong political leadership has introduced a new paradigm, Ahmet Davutoğlu, Erdogan’s chief foreign policy advisor from 2003 to 2009 and the minister of foreign affairs since 2009, is the main figure to articulate and execute Turkey’s new foreign policy. As a rising scholar of international relations, Davutoğlu had already developed the concept of “strategic depth” in his hefty book <i>Stratejik Derinlik: Türkiye’nin Uluslararası Konumu</i> (Strategic Depth: Turkey’s International Position), where he argued for a new geopolitical outlook for Turkey in the twenty-first century. “Strategic depth” defines the value of a nation on the basis of its geostrategic location in the complex web of international relations. History and geography, the two invariables of a country, can be an asset or burden depending on how one makes use of them. Turkey is perfectly situated across the different geopolitical and civilizational fault lines that unite the Euro-Asian landmass with the Middle East and North Africa. A good part of the current world politics on energy and security, for instance, is shaped in Turkey’s immediate neighborhood and adjacent regions. Turkey’s geostrategic position, Davutoğlu further argued, is reinforced by its historical and cultural ties to the main lands of the Ottoman Empire, pushing Turkey to a natural position of regional leadership.<sup>32</sup>Also implicit in Davutoğlu’s argument was a shift from the classical model of the nation-state to the new civilizational framework of analysis that includes a new understanding of globalization and regional cooperation.</div>
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While the detractors of the AK Party and its new internationalist outlook used such labels as Islamist, neo-Ottomanist, and anti-Western to discredit Turkey’s new foreign policy, the AK Party officials have defined it as a process of normalization and regional cooperation. According to Davutoğlu, the new Turkish foreign policy is based on five principles that position Turkey as a “center-country” in its region. They include a balance between security and democracy, “zero-problem policy with neighbors,” developing relations with neighboring regions and beyond, “multidimensional foreign policy,” and “rhythmic diplomacy.”<sup>33</sup> Over the years, these principles, underlying much of the AK Party’s foreign policy portfolio, have matured and yielded important gains for both Turkey and its allies.</div>
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In a world of multiple economic powerhouses and emerging regional actors, new forms of geopolitical alliances and regional partnerships have already begun to emerge. Turkey’s geoeconomic and geocultural position allows it to have multidimensional relations with a diverse network of states, societies, and communities.<sup>34</sup> This is reflected in Turkey’s increased relations with its Arab and Muslim neighbors as well as in its ability to project itself as a newly emerging soft power. For the Arab world and beyond, for instance, Turkey’s soft power is increasingly becoming a point of interest among politicians, policy makers, academics, journalists, NGOs, and businessmen.<sup>35</sup> The interest of the Arab world in Turkey’s EU membership process is another area in which Turkey’s multidimensional geopolitical position has overcome the traditional East-West divisions.<sup>36</sup></div>
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Turkey’s new foreign policy outlook is a result of the newly emerging geopolitical imagination and the tectonic changes in the global and regional order since the end of the Cold War. This new geographic imagery is seen in the public statements of Turkish officials and their reflections on the future of the region. The Turkish President Abdullah Gul’s following statement sums up this perspective in a vivid language:</div>
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Combining a mixture of traditional Islamic, national, and cosmopolitan values, the AK Party has transformed the main parameters of Turkish culture and politics in the first decade of the twenty-first century. The AK Party policies have been marked by a desire to reconcile differences and overcome binary oppositions. Whether we talk about Islam and democracy, religion and secularism, national unity and pluralism, security and freedom, Europe and the Middle East, or economic development and ethical norms, the AK Party leaders have sought to craft a multilayered and flexible political identity to move Turkey beyond oppositional identities and create a new set of values. The AK Party’s Islamic credentials and patriotic leanings have not prevented it from developing strong cosmopolitan and globalist approaches and policies. Key to the AK Party’s success has been its ability to dovetail domestic transformation with global trends in its national politics and foreign policy. The policy of reconciling differences and overcoming oppositional identities is likely to continue under the AK Party.</div>
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By keeping a balance of identity issues and providing services to the people, the AK Party has been a voice of change in the post-Cold War period. But it has also been an instigator of change and taken many bold steps to challenge the status quo fiercely defended by the Turkish establishment. The AK Party’s reformist political agenda has made Turkey more secure and democratic and redefined the center-periphery relations to allow more space for the new agents of globalization. These new agents include urban and rural actors, religious and conservative entrepreneurs, national and cosmopolitan figures, and local NGOs and institutions with increasing international ties. The AK Party has played a key role in bringing these new actors to the fore and thus diversified the Turkish public sphere in a way that no other political movement has ever done. But it is also this diverse and dynamic public that pushes the AK Party further to implement an agenda of change and reform.</div>
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As Turkey continues to become a more democratic and open society, previously suppressed identities such as religious-Islamic, Kurdish, Alevi, or Armenian become more visible and freely expressed. Contrary to the fears of the secular nationalists, the increasing visibility of these identities has not made Turkish society weak or vulnerable. By allowing different identities to express themselves and by empowering the individual and the society against the state, the AK Party governments have sought to close the gap between the state and the public—a gap that has created a deep sense of alienation and disenfranchisement for much of the Republican history. The AK Party’s strong electoral base has led to the emergence of a new notion of political legitimacy without disrupting the state. Furthermore, Turkey under the AK Party has become more self-confident and buoyant in its self-perception and the view of the world. This newfound confidence has invited numerous economic and political opportunities for the fairly diverse members of Turkish society, and turned Turkey into an economic powerhouse and a major political force in the region. As Turkey marches towards the first centennial of the Turkish Republic in 2023, it is likely to continue to shed its old fears and recreate itself as regional actor and global player.</div>
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1. Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France, 147.</div>
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2. For an analysis of Erdogan’s profile, see Metin Heper and Sule Toktas, “Islam, Modernity, and Democracy in Contemporary Turkey: The Case of Recep Tayyip Erdogan,” <i>The Muslim World</i> 93, no. 2 (April 2003): 157–185. For his biography until he became prime minister, see Huseyin Besli and Omer Ozsoy, <i>Tayyip Erdogan</i> (Istanbul: Meydan Yayinlari, 2010).</div>
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3. Islamic actors with a cosmopolitan outlook include groups outside the AK Party, such as the Gulen movement, the so-called Anatolian Tigers, and their major business association MUSIAD and independent intellectuals. For an evaluation of these actors, see Yildiz Atasoy, <i>Turkey, Islamists and Democracy: Transition and Globalization in a Muslim State</i> (London: I. B. Tauris, 2005), 146–176. See also Hakan Yavuz’s more comprehensive survey in his <i>Islamic Political Identity in Turkey</i>(Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2003).</div>
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4. Quoted in Hakan Yavuz, ed., <i>The Emergence of a New Turkey</i> (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 2006), 334.</div>
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5. For an assessment of the National View Movement (Milli Gorus), see Ahmet Yıldız, “Politico-Religious Discourse of Political Islam in Turkey: The Parties of National Outlook,” <i>The Muslim World</i>93 (April 2003): 187–209.</div>
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6. Quoted in Yavuz, <i>The Emergence of a New Turkey</i>, 336.</div>
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7. Quoted in Ergun Ozbudun and William Hale, <i>Islamism, Democracy and Liberalism in Turkey: The Case of the AKP</i> (London: Routledge, 2010), 22.</div>
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8. Anayasa Mahkemesi, <i>Kararlar Dergisi</i> [Constitutional Court Reports], vol. 25, pp 147–148, quoted in Ozbudun and Hale, <i>Islamism, Democracy and Liberalism in Turkey</i>, p 166.</div>
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9. For a comparison and contrast of two types of secularism called “passive” and “assertive,” see Ahmet T. Kuru, “Passive and Assertive Secularism: Historical Conditions, Ideological Struggles, and State Policies toward Religion” <i>World Politics</i> 59 (July 2007): 568–594. See also the article by the same author “Reinterpretation of Secularism in Turkey: The Case of the Justice and Development Party” in Yavuz, <i>The Emergence of a New Turkey</i>, 136–159.</div>
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10. For an analysis of the difference between secularism and laicism in the case of Turkey, see Andrew Davison, “Turkey, a ‘Secular’ State? The Challenge of Description,” <i>The South Atlantic Quarterly</i> 102, nos. 2/3 (spring/summer, 2003): 333–350.</div>
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11. Serif Mardin, <i>Religion, Society, and Modernity in Turkey</i> (Syracuse, NY: Syracuse University Press, 2006), 135.</div>
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12. Ibid., 230.</div>
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13. Cf. Chris Houston, “The Never Ending Dance: Islamism, Kemalism and the Power of Self-institution in Turkey,” <i>The Australian Journal of Anthropology</i> 17, no. 2 (2006): 161–178.</div>
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14. <i>International Symposium on Conservatism and Democracy</i>, quoted in Ozbudun and Hale,<i>Islamism, Democracy and Liberalism in Turkey</i>, 24–25.</div>
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15. Yavuz, <i>The Emergence of a New Turkey</i>, 333.</div>
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16. At the time of the writing of this chapter, the Kurdish issue entered a new phase in Turkey. After thirty-years of a bloody and costly war against the Turkish State, the Kurdish separatist terror organization PKK’s leader Abdullah Ocalan made a call on March 21st, on the day of the Nevruz, on the PKK to disarm and leave Turkey. In the moths following the disarmament call, PKK fighters have begun leaving Turkey for northern Iraq and other third countries. This is a historic moment in the modern history of the Turkish Republic. Once completed, this will be Erdogan’s most important and enduring achievement as other political leaders including Turgut Ozal had tried to solve the Kurdish issue through a negotiated settlement. Resolving the Kurdish issue will open up new possibilities for Turkish domestic politics. It will also strengthen Turkey’s position in the region.</div>
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17. Ibid., 333–334.</div>
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18. Ibid., 335.</div>
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19. Interview with Seref Özgencil, <i>The New Europe</i> 1, no. 2 (December 2002): 11, quoted in William Hale, “Christian Democracy and the AKP: Parallels and Contrasts,” <i>Turkish Studies</i> 6, no. 2 (June 2005): 293–310, 293.</div>
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20. Nilufer Gole places the emergence of post-Islamist politics within the context of multiple modernities; see her “Snapshots of Islamic Modernities,” <i>Daedalus</i> 129, no. 1 (winter 2000): 91–117. See also Robert W. Hefner, “Multiple Modernities: Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism in a Globalizing Age,” <i>Annual Review of Anthropology</i> 27 (1998): 83–104.</div>
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21. For an assessment of the AK Party’s economic policies, see Marcie J Patton, “The Economic Policies of Turkey’s AKP Government: Rabbits from a Hat?” <i>The Middle East Journal</i> 60, no. 3 (summer 2006): 513–536.</div>
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22. Ümit Cizre, “The Anatomy of the Turkish Military’s Political Autonomy,” <i>Comparative Politics</i> 29, no. 2 (January 1997): 151–166.</div>
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23. For the problem of the democratic control of the military in Turkey, see Aylin Güney and Peter Karatekelioğlu, “Turkey’s EU Candidacy and Civil-Military Relations: Challenges and Prospects,”<i>Armed Forces & Society</i> 31, no. 3 (spring 2005): 439–462.</div>
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24. Cengiz Çandar, “Postmodern Darbe” [Postmodern Coup], <i>Sabah</i> [Istanbul], June 28, 1997.</div>
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25. Metin Heper, “The Justice and Development Party Government and the Military in Turkey,”<i>Turkish Studies</i> 6, no. 2 (June 2005): 215–231.</div>
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26. For the political context of civilian-military relations in Turkey, see Umit Cizre, “Problems of Democratic Governance of Civil-Military Relations in Turkey and the European Union Enlargement Zone,” <i>European Journal of Political Research</i> 43 (2004): 107–125.</div>
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27. For the constitutional debate and legal amendments under AK Party, see Ergun Özbudun and Ömer F. Gençkaya, <i>Democratization and the Politics of Constitution-Making in Turkey</i> (Budapest: Central European University Press, 2009).</div>
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28. For the Turkish perceptions of the West as a cultural, religious, and political entity, see Ibrahim Kalin, Bekir Berat Özipek, and Kudret Bülbül, <i>Türkiye’de Toplumun Batı Algısı: Din, Kültür, Siyaset</i>[The Perception of the West in Turkish Society: Religion, Culture, Politics] (Ankara: SETA Yayınları, 2008). For a summary of this study in English, see the same authors, “A Fragmented Vision: Perceptions of the West in Turkish Society,” co-authored with Kudret Bulbul and Bekir Berat Ozipek,<i>Insight Turkey</i> 10, no. 1 (2008): 129–147.</div>
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29. See, for instance, Robert Kagan, <i>Dangerous Nation: America’s Foreign Policy from Its Earliest Days to the Dawn of the Twentieth Century</i> (New York: Vintage, 2007), where the author argues that US foreign policy has always been expansionist and interventionist.</div>
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30. See, for instance, Alice Amsden’s <i>The Rise of “The Rest”: Challenges to the West from Late-Industrializing Economies</i> (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2003).</div>
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31. Cf. Ibrahim Kalin, “US-Turkish Relations under Obama: Promise, Challenge and Opportunity in the 21st Century,” <i>The Journal of Balkan and Near East Studies</i> 12, no. 1 (2010): 93–108.</div>
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32. For more on “strategic depth” in English, see Alexander Murinson, “The Strategic Depth Doctrine in Turkish Foreign Policy,” <i>Middle Eastern Studies</i> 42, no. 6 (November 2006): 945–964. See also Ahmet Davutoğlu, “Turkey’s Foreign Policy Vision: An Assessment of 2007,” <i>Insight Turkey</i> 10, no. 1 (January–March 2008): 77–96.</div>
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33. Davutoğlu, “Turkey’s Foreign Policy Vision,” 79–83.</div>
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34. For an assesment of Turkish foreign policy from a new geopolitical point of view, see Ibrahim Kalin, “Turkish Foreign Policy: Framework, Values and Mechanisms,” <i>International Journal</i> LXVII, no. 1 (winter 2011–2012): 7–21.</div>
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35. See, for instance, the essays by Bilgin and Elis, Beng, Altunisik, and Altinay in the special soft power issue of <i>Insight Turkey</i> 10, no. 2 (April–June 2008) on Turkey’s soft power. For the Arab interest in new Turkey, see Ibrahim Kalin, “Debating Turkey in the Middle East: The Dawn of a New Geopolitical Imagination,” <i>Insight Turkey</i> 11, no. 1 (winter 2009): 83–96. See also my “Soft Power and Public Diplomacy in Turkey,” <i>Perceptions</i> XVI, no. 3 (Autumn 2011): 5–23.</div>
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36. Cf. Elie Podeh, “‘The Final Fall of the Ottoman Empire’: Arab Discourse over Turkey’s Accession to the European Union,” <i>Turkish Studies</i> 8, no. 3 (September 2007): 317–328.</div>
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37. Abdullah Gül, “Turkey’s Role in a Changing Middle East Environment,” <i>Mediterranean Quarterly</i>(winter 2004): 4.</div>
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-75876570266495150072014-12-04T12:30:00.002-08:002014-12-04T12:30:33.843-08:00Hizb-i Cumhuri-i İslami'nin 1 Mayıs posteriHizb-i Cumhuri-i İslami'nin 1 Mayıs posteri, 80ler başı<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5807330341610953012.post-84371520480529400602014-11-30T20:14:00.002-08:002014-12-01T10:28:23.962-08:00Schmitt'ten bir şiir ''Altmış Yaşındakinin Şarkısı''<blockquote class="tr_bq">
''Ben jus publicum Europaeum'un son bilinçli savunucusuyum ve varoluşsal bir anlamda, son hocası ve araştırmacısıyım ve Benite Cereno nasıl korsan gemisinin yolculuğununun sonunu tecrübe etmişse ben de jus publicum Europaeum'un sonunu deneyimliyorum. Nitekim şimdi sessizlik vaktinde ve münasip. Bizi endişelendirmemeli. Sessiz kalarak kendimize dair ve ilahi kökenlerimiz üzerine tefekkür ediyoruz''</blockquote>
diye yazıyor Carl Schmitt II. Dünya Savaşı sonrası tecrid edildiği dünyadan. Melville'in hikayesinde Cereno batan bir köle gemisinden tek kurtulandır ve geminin kaderine dair sessiz kalarak hayatta kalmıştır [<a href="http://www.germanlawjournal.com/pdfs/Vol07No02/PDF_Vol_07_No_02_127-136_Articles_Fischer-Lescano.pdf">ref</a>]. Schmitt'se Nasyonel-Sosyalizm batığından çıkar, sessizleşir ve <i>son temsilcisi</i> kaldığı <u>jus publicum Europaeum</u>'un tarihini yazılmaya koyulur. Alıntı 1945-47 arası tecrübelerini yazdığı kitapçık <i>Ex Captivitate Salus</i>'dan. Bu eser bir şiirler biter, tercümesi bana ait, buyrun. Hezeyanlarıyla, delirmesiyle, enaniyetiyle, yüzsüzlüğüyle mağdur ve tövbekar Schmitt.<br />
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Altmış Yaşındakinin Şarkısı*</div>
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Carl Schmitt</div>
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Musibetlerine ram oldum kaderin</div>
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Zaferler ve mağlubiyetler, devrimler ve restorasyonlar</div>
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Enflasyonlar ve deflasyonlar, bombalamalar</div>
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Karalamlar, kırık rejimler ve kırık borular</div>
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Açlık ve soğuk, mahpus ve hücre hapsi.</div>
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Hepsinden geçtim,</div>
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Hepsi de benden.</div>
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Terörün bereketli türlerine aşinayım,</div>
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Yukarıdan yağan terör ve aşağıdan gelen terör,</div>
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Toprakta terör ve havadan terör,</div>
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Yasal ve yasa dışı terör,</div>
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Hepsinden beteri kimsenin adını koymaya cesaret edemediği terör.</div>
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Aşinayım, pençelerinin tadına baktım.</div>
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İktidarın ve yasanın şakıyan korolarını bilirim,</div>
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Rejimin çığlık atarcasına sesleri ve alçak düzenbazlarını,</div>
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Kara listelerde birçok isim.</div>
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Zorbaların kartotekleri.</div>
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Şimdi hangi şarkıyı okuyayım? <i>Placebo</i> ilahisi?</div>
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Meseleleri bir kenara bırakıp, bitki ve hayvanları mı kıskansam?</div>
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Değersiz tanrıların [<i>panisks</i>] halkasında durup panikten titresem mi?</div>
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Kendi nağmesine danseden tatarcık gibi şanslı?</div>
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Balinanın karnında üç defa oturdum.</div>
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İnfaz memurunun huzurunda intiharla karşılaştım.</div>
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Lakin kehanet söyleyen şairlerin korunaklı sözleri beni tuttu,</div>
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Ve Şark'tan bir kutsal adam bana kurtuluşun kapılarını araladı.</div>
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Bu takdisin evladı, titreme -</div>
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Kulak ver, göğüs ger!</div>
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* 'Gesang des Sechzigjährigen' adlı bu şiir Schmitt'in <i>Ex Captivitate Salus: erfahrungen der zeit 1945-47</i> [Köln: Greven Verlag, 1950] kitabının sonunda yer alır. G.L. Ulmen'in İngilizce tercümesini [Telos n.72] Almanca'sıyla karşılaştırarak çevirdim.<br />
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